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  1. DuncTheDoodle

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    I saw a post the other day that got me wondering: What players, for whatever intenrational side, are truely unreplaceable, and must be on the teamsheet every time? I'm not talknig about coaches favourates, but those who deserve to start every possible game. In or out of form, (Well, imagining it isn't utterly attrochious.) could/should they keep their place?

    I'd say:

    England-
    None, actually. Ben Youngs probaly will become one, but at the moment there are still people breathing down his neck.

    Wales-
    Gethin Jenkins, Adam Jones, Shane Williams, James Hook

    Ireland-
    Paul O'Connell, Brian O'Driscoll, Tommy Bowe

    Scotland-
    Chris Patterson

    France-
    William Servat, Yannick Jauzion

    Italy-
    Sergio Parriese, Martin Castrogiavani

    New Zealand-
    Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Ma'a Nonu

    South Africa-
    Pieres Spies, Bryan Habana

    Austrailia-
    Rocky Elsom, Matt Giteau

    Argentina-
    Felipe Contepome, Jean Martin Fernandez Lobbe
     
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    TRF_Olyy English Arrogance

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    Dan Cole's becoming one for England as well, he'll be first choice tighthead for a long long time, i reckon
     
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    cole is going to be a shoe in think he can be greater than vickery? ( in his best days of course)
    i think earls and sexton are becoming the new irish shoe aswell would be a shock if they where dropped
     
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    Tom Croft for England.
     
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    did croft even play in the summer tests? thought tom rees, worsley haskell and mabey a few others could contend his place as moody is a shoe in as curent captain
     
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    My changes
     
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    For Wales I'd say the only ones who must play are

    Hook,
    S. Jones,
    Gethin J
    and Adam Jones

    Maybe Roberts too.
     
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    Shane Williams is when he is fit!
     
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    Aw eck, you've caught the bug too??!
     
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    Yeah he did, he's first choice 6 for England, but was injured a lot last season, so missed the 6N,
    Worselys past it, and Johnson doesn't seem to like Rees. Haskell is his biggest threat, but Croft is much better, and Haskell would be better used on the bench (if at all) as he can do 8 as well
     
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    Croft is easily the best back-row available to England. Him not being a shoo-in would be a joke.
     
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    I said "maybe" :lol:
     
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    I would scratch Spies for SA and replace him by Pienaar / Steyn
     
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    Just to update my shoe-ins

    Scotland - Ross Ford, Euan Murray (if the match isn't on Sunday), John Barclay, Kelly Brown, John Beattie

    Wales - Lee Byrne, Adam Jones, Alun-Wyn Jones, Gethin Jenkins, James Hook, Gavin Henson (if you are cyRil), Jamie Roberts

    Ireland - Brian O'Driscoll, Tommy Bowe, Jamie Heaslip

    England - Chris Aston, Ben Foden, Tom Croft, Ben Youngs, Courtney Lawes

    France - Yannick Jauzion, Thierry Dusautoir, Dimitri Szarzewski

    New Zealand - Dan Carter, Ma'a Nonu, Richie McCaw, Brad Thorn, Tony Woodcock, Cory Jane, Kieran Read, Mils Muliaina (I would say Conrad Smith as well)

    Australia - Will Genia, Rocky Elsom, David Pocock, Quade Cooper, Matt Giteau, Benn Robinson, Ben Alexander (When fit)

    South Africa - Victor Matfield, Pierre Spies, Morne Steyn, Bryan Habana (Unfortunately), Jaque Fourie, John Smit

    Italy - Sergio Parisse, Mirco Bergamasco, Mauro Bergamasco, Martin Castrogiovanni, Leonardo Ghiraldini, Alessandro Zanni
     
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    Harrygnawdoorkey?
     
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    Croft slipped my mind, I was only thinknig of Haskell and Worsley when it came to England 6s. I thought I'd picked Heaslip, but I clearly didn't.For some reason, I see Quade Cooper as a current fad, can't see him lasting as he is now for the time Giteau, ect. have managed. And how is Shane not a shoe-in? Can anyone explain that to me?

    Stephen Jones is far from a shoe-in. Dan Biggar and Jason Tovey are both an inch or so from over taking him. (In fact, Biggar did just thgat in the second test in NZ) Lee Byrne was a year ago, but has since began to fall from grace, same with Alun Wyn Jones, Bradley Davies is nearing having the 4 shirt for a long, long time, and Charteris would better compliment him than AWJ.
     
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    FdV, by far the most important player for SA (or any team he plays in)
     
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    Like **** would I have Biggar or Tovey in the Welsh team over Steve Jones.
     
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    Agreed ... might need to show someone the 2nd NZ Test to prove that.
     
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    Biggar has never shown that he deserves the 10 shirt whilst playing for Wales which is sad as he does for Ospreys. I also don't like his attitude, moaning and arguing with refs. He needs to buck his ideas up as Tovey might overtake him in being next in line for the 10 shirt.
     
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