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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1183749" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>Why 'appart from smokers'? </p><p>You are limiting the audience only to those who most likely will agree with your position...</p><p>You could also add the people who couldn't are less. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I am. Non-smokers are not 'somehow denying'. They are specifically and explicitly doing so. That is why laws/regulations were put in place to prohibit it. </p><p></p><p>I am advocating for an arrangement between two parties where no human rights were violated (it's not as if one agreed to be the other's slave or something), where both are minimally informed about the subject (hard to argue people will say smoking is good for you these days) and, where both can be expected to behave like adults. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Let them deal with that like cigar rooms do. </p><p></p><p>I understand the argument, but I cant help but thinking...</p><p>If someone doesn't like fire, we tell them 'hey, maybe becoming a fireman ain't the smartest idea'. </p><p>If someone is against firearms, we tell them 'the army might not be for you'. </p><p>If someone hates the sea we tell him 'i wouldn't consider becoming a fisherman if I were you'. </p><p>But if someone wants to be a waiter at a pub, and doesn't want to deal with cigarettes, even when there would be non-smoking restaurants he could work for, we don't tell them 'listen, just apply to the non-smoking ones'. No. Better to redesign the entire bloody industry so daddy state can control the interactions between consenting adults that harm no third parties outside the arrangement.</p><p></p><p>And the biggest, the gargantuan incongruence is that you can still hire staff at your house and smoke there as long as you are upfront about it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1183749, member: 55747"] Why 'appart from smokers'? You are limiting the audience only to those who most likely will agree with your position... You could also add the people who couldn't are less. Yes, I am. Non-smokers are not 'somehow denying'. They are specifically and explicitly doing so. That is why laws/regulations were put in place to prohibit it. I am advocating for an arrangement between two parties where no human rights were violated (it's not as if one agreed to be the other's slave or something), where both are minimally informed about the subject (hard to argue people will say smoking is good for you these days) and, where both can be expected to behave like adults. Let them deal with that like cigar rooms do. I understand the argument, but I cant help but thinking... If someone doesn't like fire, we tell them 'hey, maybe becoming a fireman ain't the smartest idea'. If someone is against firearms, we tell them 'the army might not be for you'. If someone hates the sea we tell him 'i wouldn't consider becoming a fisherman if I were you'. But if someone wants to be a waiter at a pub, and doesn't want to deal with cigarettes, even when there would be non-smoking restaurants he could work for, we don't tell them 'listen, just apply to the non-smoking ones'. No. Better to redesign the entire bloody industry so daddy state can control the interactions between consenting adults that harm no third parties outside the arrangement. And the biggest, the gargantuan incongruence is that you can still hire staff at your house and smoke there as long as you are upfront about it. [/QUOTE]
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