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<blockquote data-quote="RoosTah" data-source="post: 615131" data-attributes="member: 12207"><p>To be fair, in Australia I've seen fairly even handed soccer fans cop it when their team is outplayed. But then in Sydney soccer is weird split between a lot of newly arrived immigrants and middle class white people with pretensions of cultural sophistication (these people rank as some of the most irritating sports fans in existence - they think that following "the world game" is like having a well stamped passport and speaking several languages). </p><p></p><p>But yeah, I do think it's part of the culture that surrounds the sport that causes the thuggish behaviour that has no parallel elsewhere. The papers here make the point that with these so called "active" fan areas of angry young men, they spend half the match with their back turned to the game, just jumping up and down and making a lot of noise.</p><p></p><p>To me it looks like an angry political rally, and that's what these supporters seem to have conflated following their team with; they see it as a movement. The kicker is that its a movement with no history and no point. What it basically says then, is that these are shallow and empty young men, with no real identity or purpose in their lives, so they just cling to anything that comes along. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Dan, you know that's not the point. I'm sure there are plenty of people in your boat, but what I'm talking about is the overall trend here. It's a lot rarer in England now, but it still happens there, and it still happens throughout Europe, and now it's happening in Australia. We've never had the sort of anti-social mob intimidation in any of our other sports (all of which require a lot more guts to play on the field than soccer), so the question is why it's suddenly happening with soccer.</p><p></p><p>To me it seems that it must therefore be something about soccer itself. Perhaps there is an element of imitation going on, and perhaps a lot of these guys are all still a little insecure about following a game that only considered fit for "****, girls and poofs" until recently in Australia, but the game is undoubtedly the common factor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RoosTah, post: 615131, member: 12207"] To be fair, in Australia I've seen fairly even handed soccer fans cop it when their team is outplayed. But then in Sydney soccer is weird split between a lot of newly arrived immigrants and middle class white people with pretensions of cultural sophistication (these people rank as some of the most irritating sports fans in existence - they think that following "the world game" is like having a well stamped passport and speaking several languages). But yeah, I do think it's part of the culture that surrounds the sport that causes the thuggish behaviour that has no parallel elsewhere. The papers here make the point that with these so called "active" fan areas of angry young men, they spend half the match with their back turned to the game, just jumping up and down and making a lot of noise. To me it looks like an angry political rally, and that's what these supporters seem to have conflated following their team with; they see it as a movement. The kicker is that its a movement with no history and no point. What it basically says then, is that these are shallow and empty young men, with no real identity or purpose in their lives, so they just cling to anything that comes along. Dan, you know that's not the point. I'm sure there are plenty of people in your boat, but what I'm talking about is the overall trend here. It's a lot rarer in England now, but it still happens there, and it still happens throughout Europe, and now it's happening in Australia. We've never had the sort of anti-social mob intimidation in any of our other sports (all of which require a lot more guts to play on the field than soccer), so the question is why it's suddenly happening with soccer. To me it seems that it must therefore be something about soccer itself. Perhaps there is an element of imitation going on, and perhaps a lot of these guys are all still a little insecure about following a game that only considered fit for "****, girls and poofs" until recently in Australia, but the game is undoubtedly the common factor. [/QUOTE]
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