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<blockquote data-quote="Rizuli" data-source="post: 625339" data-attributes="member: 71079"><p>First of all, let me just restate my point. As TRF_Littleguy pointed out, the majority of the violence he has seen in places such as North America (and I agree with him) has been the result of alcohol, drug, or idiot related. This is an example of how a sports crowd can experience violence without the sport itself actually being the cause for the violence. </p><p></p><p>That's a good question, and not one with an easy answer. You are correct that football has a much higher incidence of violence. That's a point we both agree on. In my opinion, it's most likely a result of football becoming an outlet for social frustration. In the early 1900s, regardless of what was actually true or not, football was seen as the working class sport and rugby the upper class sport. As such, football fans were generally given a rougher and more violent image, which led to football fans feeling more comfortable with acting violently as it was stereotypically what they were supposed to do. Football violence became a self sustaining model: Original incidents of football violence ----> Football fans portrayed as violent ----> Other football fans try to fit in to this portrayal ---> more football violence. Rugby never saw this type of mass violence, and therefore never gained the violent image, causing rugby crowds to become much better behaved. So yes, you are correct, this is a football specific problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rizuli, post: 625339, member: 71079"] First of all, let me just restate my point. As TRF_Littleguy pointed out, the majority of the violence he has seen in places such as North America (and I agree with him) has been the result of alcohol, drug, or idiot related. This is an example of how a sports crowd can experience violence without the sport itself actually being the cause for the violence. That's a good question, and not one with an easy answer. You are correct that football has a much higher incidence of violence. That's a point we both agree on. In my opinion, it's most likely a result of football becoming an outlet for social frustration. In the early 1900s, regardless of what was actually true or not, football was seen as the working class sport and rugby the upper class sport. As such, football fans were generally given a rougher and more violent image, which led to football fans feeling more comfortable with acting violently as it was stereotypically what they were supposed to do. Football violence became a self sustaining model: Original incidents of football violence ----> Football fans portrayed as violent ----> Other football fans try to fit in to this portrayal ---> more football violence. Rugby never saw this type of mass violence, and therefore never gained the violent image, causing rugby crowds to become much better behaved. So yes, you are correct, this is a football specific problem. [/QUOTE]
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