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<blockquote data-quote="C A Iversen" data-source="post: 246441"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Feb 17 2009, 11:16 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=379735" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>That is pure speculation and you know it. Not once has SANZAR, the ARU or John O'Neill produced any research to back this mistaken belief that if you dump an ANZAC franchise in Tokyo, millions of Japs will flock to see and will make lots of dollar for Australia and New Zealand.</p><p></p><p>The Japanese would warm to a team made up of ethnic Japanese if it started scoring wins in the Super 14 but a team mostly made up of exiles? Where is the link to Japan? Where is the evidence to convince the Japanese that this is something more than a mere team there just to entertain the ANZAC ex-pat English teachers living in the ghettos of Tokyo's suburbs? None. Therefore the obvious conclusion is that the Japanese will shun this franchise and continue as they always have and back the corporate team run by the company they work for and their University team.</p><p></p><p>This plan to start a Japanese adventure is so full of holes its crazy. And seriously, the ARU and John O'Neill have had some cra-aa-a-a-azy schemes in the last few years. Where is the funding going to come from for this Japanese franchise? Where is the support going to come from? What do Japan's corporations who basically bankroll the entire Japanese Rugby system think about being dumped for what is frankly in their view a <em>foreign, dirty, barbarian XV</em> squatting on what is rightfully <em>their</em> turf?</p><p></p><p>The whole thing is stupid. Markets like Singapore, Hong Kong, Denver, Los Angeles, Seattle and Seoul have far better potential than risking a cultural and diplomatic incident by forcing this on the JRFU...</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Yeah my post had some speculation in it, I wasn't reporting anything as fact. I'm seriously surprised at how much of yours was speculation, nearly all of it. Talk about throwing stones from the glass house.</p><p></p><p>I love that last bit, cultural and diplomatic incident, HAHAHAHAHAHA, ROFLMAO and LOL! You have to be kidding! Forcing this on the JRFU? Thats the bit that really proves you must be joking. Who's talking about "forcing" any nation, to do anything? How would they even begin to force Japan to take part? These are all ideas, suggestions at this point.</p><p></p><p>As for my "loot galore" comment, well that wasn't so clear to be fair to you. I mainly meant that we'd have extra money because South Africa wouldn't be taking so much of the travel budget and such a huge cut of the overall revenue. I never said we'd be taking Japanese money.</p><p></p><p>I also loved this bit "What do Japan's corporations who basically bankroll the entire Japanese Rugby system think about being dumped for what is frankly in their view a <em>foreign, dirty, barbarian XV</em> squatting on what is rightfully <em>their</em> turf?" . You are trying to speak as though you know the minds of every Japanese corporation. Outstanding! After all, they may have different corporate sponsors for a Japanese All-Stars side or whatever they may call it. No-one's claiming it'll be the national team for sure. </p><p></p><p>I'm honestly at a loss for words now. I'm not trying to win a debate through mockery, I'm just stunned, truly.</p><p></p><p>Thats the problem with being a truly great poster, Pete. You just have so much further to fall than the rest of us when you unleash a golden clanger. Is this Brainiac's Finest Hour?</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="C A Iversen, post: 246441"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Feb 17 2009, 11:16 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=379735']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> That is pure speculation and you know it. Not once has SANZAR, the ARU or John O'Neill produced any research to back this mistaken belief that if you dump an ANZAC franchise in Tokyo, millions of Japs will flock to see and will make lots of dollar for Australia and New Zealand. The Japanese would warm to a team made up of ethnic Japanese if it started scoring wins in the Super 14 but a team mostly made up of exiles? Where is the link to Japan? Where is the evidence to convince the Japanese that this is something more than a mere team there just to entertain the ANZAC ex-pat English teachers living in the ghettos of Tokyo's suburbs? None. Therefore the obvious conclusion is that the Japanese will shun this franchise and continue as they always have and back the corporate team run by the company they work for and their University team. This plan to start a Japanese adventure is so full of holes its crazy. And seriously, the ARU and John O'Neill have had some cra-aa-a-a-azy schemes in the last few years. Where is the funding going to come from for this Japanese franchise? Where is the support going to come from? What do Japan's corporations who basically bankroll the entire Japanese Rugby system think about being dumped for what is frankly in their view a [i]foreign, dirty, barbarian XV[/i] squatting on what is rightfully [i]their[/i] turf? The whole thing is stupid. Markets like Singapore, Hong Kong, Denver, Los Angeles, Seattle and Seoul have far better potential than risking a cultural and diplomatic incident by forcing this on the JRFU... [/b][/quote] Yeah my post had some speculation in it, I wasn't reporting anything as fact. I'm seriously surprised at how much of yours was speculation, nearly all of it. Talk about throwing stones from the glass house. I love that last bit, cultural and diplomatic incident, HAHAHAHAHAHA, ROFLMAO and LOL! You have to be kidding! Forcing this on the JRFU? Thats the bit that really proves you must be joking. Who's talking about "forcing" any nation, to do anything? How would they even begin to force Japan to take part? These are all ideas, suggestions at this point. As for my "loot galore" comment, well that wasn't so clear to be fair to you. I mainly meant that we'd have extra money because South Africa wouldn't be taking so much of the travel budget and such a huge cut of the overall revenue. I never said we'd be taking Japanese money. I also loved this bit "What do Japan's corporations who basically bankroll the entire Japanese Rugby system think about being dumped for what is frankly in their view a [i]foreign, dirty, barbarian XV[/i] squatting on what is rightfully [i]their[/i] turf?" . You are trying to speak as though you know the minds of every Japanese corporation. Outstanding! After all, they may have different corporate sponsors for a Japanese All-Stars side or whatever they may call it. No-one's claiming it'll be the national team for sure. I'm honestly at a loss for words now. I'm not trying to win a debate through mockery, I'm just stunned, truly. Thats the problem with being a truly great poster, Pete. You just have so much further to fall than the rest of us when you unleash a golden clanger. Is this Brainiac's Finest Hour? [/QUOTE]
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