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<blockquote data-quote="Jakedood" data-source="post: 1051971" data-attributes="member: 72409"><p>Biggar's dive was a disgrace, I honestly didnt think I'd see that from him, but was disgusted watching that.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully refs arent even mentioned this week, I'm unsure where the Lions go from here</p><p></p><p>So my taking so far is they have the intensity and physicality to deal with the SA attack, its the stupid penalties and allowing field position that have let SA in. You cant give them territory and not expect the rolling mauls to take charge or scoreboard pressure to build, and then they have you chasing them and compound each and every mistake because that blitz defense leading from the 13/14 on the outside just smothers you. Even more so, because they're so well drilled that you can barely get them sucked in and create overlaps without insanely high tempo, which hasnt been seen in either test match. To create this tempo though, you need top notch organisation, like Japan (highly regimented) or the NZ style, where they have roles, but its always heads up rugby,taking opportunities that arise in small parts of the match by feeding off loose play, and open space off turnovers etc. I think the latter is the only way the Lions are capable of taking them on, there's not enough time to be structured and creative on a tour like this</p><p></p><p>So looking into it, I think it's fair to say that since SA adopted the blitz defense, the only team that seem regularly able to put up points on them are the all blacks. This is because its not a basic game plan of hit over the line and try to suck in defenders for space out wide, its not a bulldozing style of rugby (despite their size too). As I've said above, tempo is absolutely key, but you also need people in key places who dont necessarily play to a set game plan, but what's in front of them at 9/10. They need to be playing more than just percentage rugby, because this has been shown to be absolutely swallowed up, no matter how quick your hands are. Unless you have a Tuilagi in midfield, each of the players from 9-13 on the SA defensive line are going to back themselves against any hefty runner, you will not create mismatches. So a varied kicking game for me is essential. For instance, if the blitz is coming up from the 13 channel to cut off wide play, why havent we seen anything akin to a crossfield kick this tour? Admittedly I havent watched de klerk behind the line sweeping, but there are always going to be at least a couple of occasions in any game where space is there for a dink or a grubber, may rely on the bounce of a ball, but we cannot simply look to play territory, maul and pick and go our way over the line. Risks are pivotal in any sport and I think we're missing opportunities because we arent taking any. Added to this, that the lack of any dainty little kicks is just allowing a free for all with the blitz, meaning even reaching the gain line when we get outside 12 is crippling</p><p>The second part of this is the offloads... the footwork from the lions in the tackle wasnt as good this week, namely I thought Lawes was much more subdued, but they also weren't playing a team quite so tired due to the stop start nature of the game. If you cant beat the set defense, you need to have the supporting lines and options on point, at least to cause a little chaos, and shift the ruck a little to stop the ball getting slowed down. I dont mean when going backwards here, but hitting the line, a handoff somewhere and a little flick to a supporting player, people like Mako, Furlong, Itoje, Curry, maybe Lawes, and Conan/Faletau all have the ability to pull this off. It wont work 100% of the time, but there needs to be some risk taken</p><p>In contrast to this, the ability to not concede a penalty from the scrum if you do knock on is huge. I actually thought Mako was alright the other day, not perfect but he didnt get demolished. Sutherland however has really struggled in both tests, and I think Wyn Jones with Mako benching will make a big difference in this regard.</p><p>I also know we have 3 lineout operators and Gatland sees this as crucial to compete, but we havent stolen much ball at all, and I would debate adding some more pace to this team than Lawes. I think Tadgh Beirne has shown a brilliant ability over the ball, a good carrier, and much better offloading ability than Lawes, a real open game player. If we can make SA play our way, rather than us playing theirs it gives a chance. But it takes risks, and it may not pay off, but for goodness sake lads, if we go out, go out with a bang</p><p>This ins Mind, I think I'd go with something along the lines of</p><p></p><p>Wyn Jones</p><p>George (Best scrummaging and darts on tour, good hands)</p><p>Furlong</p><p>Itoje</p><p>Big bloody Iain ( This man when there's a point to prove is a whole other proposition, its like waking a sleeping giant)</p><p>Beirne</p><p>Curry</p><p>Faletau (Not in form, but again the hands and offloading ability will be key)</p><p>Price</p><p>Russell (He's the only heads up 10 they'll realistically play)</p><p>Adams</p><p>Aki</p><p>Henshaw (this centre combo seems odd given what I've said, but they've played together a heck of a lot, and I think that understanding gives them an edge, hopefully stop us looking so disjointed in the centres)</p><p>Watson (Backing him to improve)</p><p>Liam Williams (Test match guy, wont give an inch, likely to deck Kolbe/De Klerk at some point in a very subtle way)</p><p></p><p>LCD</p><p>Mako</p><p>Sinckler</p><p>Lawes (Unsure about this as his scrummaging is not great, but he gets a chance)</p><p>Watson</p><p>Davies</p><p>Farrell (May even debate putting him at 12 if the Lions can open the game up, and the two pronged option for territory if up by 60/65 would be handy)</p><p>LRZ - Again, if you can keep ball in play high, this man can cause carnage</p><p></p><p>As a side note, Lions were the poor team, and I think its fair to say the officials maybe missed a couple of foul play issues. That being said, Im glad a game wasnt decided by a red card, as that would not have really endeared this series a whole lot. What I do hope is for the next game, there's just none of this stupid stuff going on. The kolbe tackle in the air, the really really borderline tackles, just a little more caution from both sides would be nice. I understand not taking a step back, but tackles like De Klerk/Kolbe/Mako are too risky and no one wants the game to be decided by one of these in the first 5 minutes</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Can we get Kearney over and just tell him to take the high balls plz?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jakedood, post: 1051971, member: 72409"] Biggar's dive was a disgrace, I honestly didnt think I'd see that from him, but was disgusted watching that. Hopefully refs arent even mentioned this week, I'm unsure where the Lions go from here So my taking so far is they have the intensity and physicality to deal with the SA attack, its the stupid penalties and allowing field position that have let SA in. You cant give them territory and not expect the rolling mauls to take charge or scoreboard pressure to build, and then they have you chasing them and compound each and every mistake because that blitz defense leading from the 13/14 on the outside just smothers you. Even more so, because they're so well drilled that you can barely get them sucked in and create overlaps without insanely high tempo, which hasnt been seen in either test match. To create this tempo though, you need top notch organisation, like Japan (highly regimented) or the NZ style, where they have roles, but its always heads up rugby,taking opportunities that arise in small parts of the match by feeding off loose play, and open space off turnovers etc. I think the latter is the only way the Lions are capable of taking them on, there's not enough time to be structured and creative on a tour like this So looking into it, I think it's fair to say that since SA adopted the blitz defense, the only team that seem regularly able to put up points on them are the all blacks. This is because its not a basic game plan of hit over the line and try to suck in defenders for space out wide, its not a bulldozing style of rugby (despite their size too). As I've said above, tempo is absolutely key, but you also need people in key places who dont necessarily play to a set game plan, but what's in front of them at 9/10. They need to be playing more than just percentage rugby, because this has been shown to be absolutely swallowed up, no matter how quick your hands are. Unless you have a Tuilagi in midfield, each of the players from 9-13 on the SA defensive line are going to back themselves against any hefty runner, you will not create mismatches. So a varied kicking game for me is essential. For instance, if the blitz is coming up from the 13 channel to cut off wide play, why havent we seen anything akin to a crossfield kick this tour? Admittedly I havent watched de klerk behind the line sweeping, but there are always going to be at least a couple of occasions in any game where space is there for a dink or a grubber, may rely on the bounce of a ball, but we cannot simply look to play territory, maul and pick and go our way over the line. Risks are pivotal in any sport and I think we're missing opportunities because we arent taking any. Added to this, that the lack of any dainty little kicks is just allowing a free for all with the blitz, meaning even reaching the gain line when we get outside 12 is crippling The second part of this is the offloads... the footwork from the lions in the tackle wasnt as good this week, namely I thought Lawes was much more subdued, but they also weren't playing a team quite so tired due to the stop start nature of the game. If you cant beat the set defense, you need to have the supporting lines and options on point, at least to cause a little chaos, and shift the ruck a little to stop the ball getting slowed down. I dont mean when going backwards here, but hitting the line, a handoff somewhere and a little flick to a supporting player, people like Mako, Furlong, Itoje, Curry, maybe Lawes, and Conan/Faletau all have the ability to pull this off. It wont work 100% of the time, but there needs to be some risk taken In contrast to this, the ability to not concede a penalty from the scrum if you do knock on is huge. I actually thought Mako was alright the other day, not perfect but he didnt get demolished. Sutherland however has really struggled in both tests, and I think Wyn Jones with Mako benching will make a big difference in this regard. I also know we have 3 lineout operators and Gatland sees this as crucial to compete, but we havent stolen much ball at all, and I would debate adding some more pace to this team than Lawes. I think Tadgh Beirne has shown a brilliant ability over the ball, a good carrier, and much better offloading ability than Lawes, a real open game player. If we can make SA play our way, rather than us playing theirs it gives a chance. But it takes risks, and it may not pay off, but for goodness sake lads, if we go out, go out with a bang This ins Mind, I think I'd go with something along the lines of Wyn Jones George (Best scrummaging and darts on tour, good hands) Furlong Itoje Big bloody Iain ( This man when there's a point to prove is a whole other proposition, its like waking a sleeping giant) Beirne Curry Faletau (Not in form, but again the hands and offloading ability will be key) Price Russell (He's the only heads up 10 they'll realistically play) Adams Aki Henshaw (this centre combo seems odd given what I've said, but they've played together a heck of a lot, and I think that understanding gives them an edge, hopefully stop us looking so disjointed in the centres) Watson (Backing him to improve) Liam Williams (Test match guy, wont give an inch, likely to deck Kolbe/De Klerk at some point in a very subtle way) LCD Mako Sinckler Lawes (Unsure about this as his scrummaging is not great, but he gets a chance) Watson Davies Farrell (May even debate putting him at 12 if the Lions can open the game up, and the two pronged option for territory if up by 60/65 would be handy) LRZ - Again, if you can keep ball in play high, this man can cause carnage As a side note, Lions were the poor team, and I think its fair to say the officials maybe missed a couple of foul play issues. That being said, Im glad a game wasnt decided by a red card, as that would not have really endeared this series a whole lot. What I do hope is for the next game, there's just none of this stupid stuff going on. The kolbe tackle in the air, the really really borderline tackles, just a little more caution from both sides would be nice. I understand not taking a step back, but tackles like De Klerk/Kolbe/Mako are too risky and no one wants the game to be decided by one of these in the first 5 minutes EDIT: Can we get Kearney over and just tell him to take the high balls plz? [/QUOTE]
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