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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1052417" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>I don't know but to be very honest, saying others do it too doesn't really justify a lot in my book. Maybe they do it for the wrong reasons. Maybe the level of controversy regarding clarity of rules and sanctions doesn't have the impact it does on rugby. Maybe it is incredibly sport-specific. Maybe it's a way of protecting themselves from wrongdoings. Maybe it's a way of concentrating power in a few hands. I don't know and i think the answer to the question could very well be irrelevant. Or not. Hard to tell with the info they give us. </p><p></p><p>The question i posed was along the lines of "is it good or not"? Others doing it is not a reason. Why others do it could be very enlightening, but the <em>why </em>part of the answer is the relevant bit, not the <em>who</em>. </p><p></p><p>All those maybe's could be better answered if we had, well, clarity and disclosure, which we do not. It becomes a matter of, well, faith. The powers that be claim this is the best way and it is also best if we don't know why? Seriously? </p><p>And one guy comes along and (for the wrong reasons, sure) kicks the board game off the table? </p><p>Sure, i'd like to buy the guy a drink. I'd pay for his entire tab if he'd let me. </p><p>Again, i understand your bias, i do. But do you understand where my argument is comming from? It's an honest question. I have no skin in the game here. I do not care, at all, who wins the tour. </p><p>I sincerely believe what he is doing is good, for the wrong reasons, but good for the sport. </p><p></p><p>But I digress. I like to give a straight answer to a straight question. Short answer, i do not know. I see no reason for privacy and secrecy but I am willing to be proven wrong and correct my view on this. I need help in order to do that, thou. Give me a reason where the game becomes better when these things are private vs public and let's discuss the specifics. But if you (not <em>you) </em>can't give me those reasons then I have to figure out them by myself and the only ones i can come up with don't look pretty. Again, it is not my first choice. I am eager to hear those <em>good </em>reasons and willing to change my mind, but give me something, because so far no one, ever, here or elsewhere, has explained to me what those reasons are. </p><p></p><p>If i have to sum it up in one line this would be it: I want answers and I see one party looking for answers (RE) and one party hiding them (WR). Naive, sure, that's why it's a one-liner and it's a situation WR and not RE created. </p><p></p><p></p><p>'Agreed'. I would be asking for a medal for him in that case, too. Statues and parades wouldn't be out of the question.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1052417, member: 55747"] I don't know but to be very honest, saying others do it too doesn't really justify a lot in my book. Maybe they do it for the wrong reasons. Maybe the level of controversy regarding clarity of rules and sanctions doesn't have the impact it does on rugby. Maybe it is incredibly sport-specific. Maybe it's a way of protecting themselves from wrongdoings. Maybe it's a way of concentrating power in a few hands. I don't know and i think the answer to the question could very well be irrelevant. Or not. Hard to tell with the info they give us. The question i posed was along the lines of "is it good or not"? Others doing it is not a reason. Why others do it could be very enlightening, but the [I]why [/I]part of the answer is the relevant bit, not the [I]who[/I]. All those maybe's could be better answered if we had, well, clarity and disclosure, which we do not. It becomes a matter of, well, faith. The powers that be claim this is the best way and it is also best if we don't know why? Seriously? And one guy comes along and (for the wrong reasons, sure) kicks the board game off the table? Sure, i'd like to buy the guy a drink. I'd pay for his entire tab if he'd let me. Again, i understand your bias, i do. But do you understand where my argument is comming from? It's an honest question. I have no skin in the game here. I do not care, at all, who wins the tour. I sincerely believe what he is doing is good, for the wrong reasons, but good for the sport. But I digress. I like to give a straight answer to a straight question. Short answer, i do not know. I see no reason for privacy and secrecy but I am willing to be proven wrong and correct my view on this. I need help in order to do that, thou. Give me a reason where the game becomes better when these things are private vs public and let's discuss the specifics. But if you (not [I]you) [/I]can't give me those reasons then I have to figure out them by myself and the only ones i can come up with don't look pretty. Again, it is not my first choice. I am eager to hear those [I]good [/I]reasons and willing to change my mind, but give me something, because so far no one, ever, here or elsewhere, has explained to me what those reasons are. If i have to sum it up in one line this would be it: I want answers and I see one party looking for answers (RE) and one party hiding them (WR). Naive, sure, that's why it's a one-liner and it's a situation WR and not RE created. 'Agreed'. I would be asking for a medal for him in that case, too. Statues and parades wouldn't be out of the question. [/QUOTE]
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