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<blockquote data-quote="dullonien" data-source="post: 1050451" data-attributes="member: 13739"><p>Thanks for a reasoned response, better than I'll get from some.</p><p></p><p>The thing is though, they're not all intangibles, they're just not always the sort of stats reported by the likes of espn. Any educated rugby fan can use their own eyes and see the influence and importance of a grafting type player to a team. You won't win much without a couple in your pack!</p><p></p><p>As for itoje, never suggested he didn't deserve the motm award, he was great with a couple of key turnovers when we were under the cosh in the first half. Doesn't mean AWJ was rubbish and deserves to be dropped!</p><p></p><p>There's been some very lauded grafting type second rows over the years. Martin Johnson for example. Some will say rugby has moved on and locks need to do more, maybe in some cases, but sometimes you just need a lock to front up and work bloody hard, especially vs SA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dullonien, post: 1050451, member: 13739"] Thanks for a reasoned response, better than I'll get from some. The thing is though, they're not all intangibles, they're just not always the sort of stats reported by the likes of espn. Any educated rugby fan can use their own eyes and see the influence and importance of a grafting type player to a team. You won't win much without a couple in your pack! As for itoje, never suggested he didn't deserve the motm award, he was great with a couple of key turnovers when we were under the cosh in the first half. Doesn't mean AWJ was rubbish and deserves to be dropped! There's been some very lauded grafting type second rows over the years. Martin Johnson for example. Some will say rugby has moved on and locks need to do more, maybe in some cases, but sometimes you just need a lock to front up and work bloody hard, especially vs SA. [/QUOTE]
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