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2019 RWC Top 5 older
  1. Luke Thompson - Japan - 16/04/1981
  2. Schalk Brits - South Africa - 16/05/1981
  3. Hubert Buydens - Canada - 04/01/1982
  4. Tusi Pisi - Samoa - 18/06/1982
  5. Rory Best - Ireland - 15/08/1982
Older player ever to play a RWC game :
Diego Ormaechea - Uruguay - 40 years 26 days - 1999

2019 RWC Top 5 youngers
  1. Vano Karkadze - Georgia - 25/06/2000
  2. Jordan Petaia - Australia - 14/03/2000
  3. David Ainu'u - USA - 20/11/1999
  4. Tedo Abzhandadze - Georgia - 13/06/1999
  5. Romain Ntamack - France - 01/05/1999
Younger player ever to play a RWC game :
Vasil Lobzhanidze - Georgia - 18 years 340 days - 2015
 
Top5 heavier
1. Ben Tameifuna - Tonga - 153kg
2. Taniela Tupou - Australia - 135kg
2. Tom Francis - Wales - 135kg
4. Matt Tierney - Canada - 134kg
5. Michael Alaalatoa - Samoa - 132kg

Top5 lighter
1. Damian Stevens - Namibia - 68 kg
2. Santiago Arata - Uruguay - 70kg
3. Yutka Nagare - Japan - 71kg
4. Fumiaki Tanaka - Japan - 72kg
5. Melani Matavao - Samoa - 73kg
 
mdaclarke said:
That's depressing, I'm older than every single player at this years world cup.

Guess I'll never get the call from Gatland :-(
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+1. :( I remember it being weird seeing players younger than me playing international rugby, now they all are!
 
Croket66 said:
Top5 heavier
1. Ben Tameifuna - Tonga - 153kg
2. Taniela Tupou - Australia - 135kg
2. Tom Francis - Wales - 135kg
4. Matt Tierney - Canada - 134kg
5. Michael Alaalatoa - Samoa - 132kg

Top5 lighter
1. Damian Stevens - Namibia - 68 kg
2. Santiago Arata - Uruguay - 70kg
3. Yutka Nagare - Japan - 71kg
4. Fumiaki Tanaka - Japan - 72kg
5. Melani Matavao - Samoa - 73kg
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I remember Ben Tameifuna being around 130kgish in NZ. He is even heavier now, all that french food I guess lol
 
Foreign-born players for some of the bigger sides in this RWC. Not meaning to stir here please. I think its perfectly logical that many players from nations with large player pools (England, NZ, SA) will drift (especially from England to Wales/Scotland as the they obviously share an island and I suppose there are many close ties) and that quality players from- lets face it- poorer nations (whether real or in rugby-terms) will seek opportunities abroad. Reading through the article I was more struck (as if I didn't realize this already) by how many of these players come from the PI nations. It will never happen but imagine a PI team similar to the West Indies in cricket with players from Fiji, Samoa and Tonga and those currently representing other nations all available. Even if only every other year forming up like the B&I Lions do. I'd pay to see that! Could be something to help fund the rugby in those nations.

SCOTLAND - 14
John Barclay (Hong Kong), Simon Berghan (New Zealand), Allan Dell (South Africa), WP Nel (South Africa), Blade Thomson (New Zealand), Ben Toolis (Australia), Hamish Watson (England), Ryan Wilson (England), Chris Harris (England), Sam Johnson (Australia), Sean Maitland (New Zealand), Ali Price (England), Tommy Seymour (USA), Duncan Taylor (England)

AUSTRALIA - 12
Tolu Latu (Tonga), Isi Naisarani (Fiji), Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (New Zealand), Taniela Tupou (Tonga), Jordan Uelese (New Zealand), Will Genia (Papa New Guinea), Dane Haylett-Petty (South Africa), Samu Kerevi (Fiji), Marika Koroibete (Fiji), Tevita Kuridrani (Fiji), Christian Lealiifano (New Zealand), David Pocock (Zimbabwe)

WALES - 8
Tomas Francis (England), Jake Ball (England), Ross Moriarty (England), Aaron Shingler (England), Jonathan Davies (England), Hadleigh Parkes (New Zealand), Hallam Amos (England), George North (England)

ITALY - 8
Dean Budd (New Zealand), David Sisi (Germany), Sebastian Negri (Zimbabwe), Sergio Parisse (Argentina), Jake Polledri (England), Abraham Steyn (South Africa), Callum Braley (England), Jayden Hayward (New Zealand)

ENGLAND - 6
Sam Underhill (USA), Billy Vunipola (Australia), Joe Cokanasiga (Fiji), Willi Heinz (New Zealand), Manu Tuilagi (Samoa), Mako Vunipola (New Zealand)

FRANCE - 6
Dany Priso (Cameroon), Peato Mauvaka (New Caledonia), Sebastien Vahaamahina (New Caledonia), Bernard le Roux (South Africa), Sofiane Guitoune (Algeria), Alivereti Raka (Fiji)

IRELAND - 5
Jean Kleyn (South Africa), CJ Stander (South Africa), Luke McGrath (Canada), Joey Carbery (New Zealand), Bundee Aki (New Zealand)

ALL BLACKS - 4
Sevu Reece (Fiji), Nepo Laulala (Samoa), Ofa Tu'ungafasi (Tonga), Shannon Frizell (Tonga)

SOUTH AFRICA - 1
Tendai Mtawarira (Zimbabwe)

ARGENTINA - 0
 
Yawn,

Joe Cokanasiga moved to England at a number of weeks old,
Manu when he was 12?
Both came through the complete England development systems.

Sam Underhill definitely a poach though - Born to an RAF pilot based in America
 
TRF_Olyy said:
Yawn,

Joe Cokanasiga moved to England at a number of weeks old,
Manu when he was 12?
Both came through the complete England development systems.

Sam Underhill definitely a poach though - Born to an RAF pilot based in America
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Like I said, not having a dig and I mean it. I just found it interesting and this type of article won't go into specifics of course. Stats don't paint the full picture.
 
TRF_stormer2010 said:
Foreign-born players for some of the bigger sides in this RWC. Not meaning to stir here please. I think its perfectly logical that many players from nations with large player pools (England, NZ, SA) will drift (especially from England to Wales/Scotland as the they obviously share an island and I suppose there are many close ties) and that quality players from- lets face it- poorer nations (whether real or in rugby-terms) will seek opportunities abroad. Reading through the article I was more struck (as if I didn't realize this already) by how many of these players come from the PI nations. It will never happen but imagine a PI team similar to the West Indies in cricket with players from Fiji, Samoa and Tonga and those currently representing other nations all available. Even if only every other year forming up like the B&I Lions do. I'd pay to see that! Could be something to help fund the rugby in those nations.

SCOTLAND - 14
John Barclay (Hong Kong), Simon Berghan (New Zealand), Allan Dell (South Africa), WP Nel (South Africa), Blade Thomson (New Zealand), Ben Toolis (Australia), Hamish Watson (England), Ryan Wilson (England), Chris Harris (England), Sam Johnson (Australia), Sean Maitland (New Zealand), Ali Price (England), Tommy Seymour (USA), Duncan Taylor (England)

AUSTRALIA - 12
Tolu Latu (Tonga), Isi Naisarani (Fiji), Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (New Zealand), Taniela Tupou (Tonga), Jordan Uelese (New Zealand), Will Genia (Papa New Guinea), Dane Haylett-Petty (South Africa), Samu Kerevi (Fiji), Marika Koroibete (Fiji), Tevita Kuridrani (Fiji), Christian Lealiifano (New Zealand), David Pocock (Zimbabwe)

WALES - 8
Tomas Francis (England), Jake Ball (England), Ross Moriarty (England), Aaron Shingler (England), Jonathan Davies (England), Hadleigh Parkes (New Zealand), Hallam Amos (England), George North (England)

ITALY - 8
Dean Budd (New Zealand), David Sisi (Germany), Sebastian Negri (Zimbabwe), Sergio Parisse (Argentina), Jake Polledri (England), Abraham Steyn (South Africa), Callum Braley (England), Jayden Hayward (New Zealand)

ENGLAND - 6
Sam Underhill (USA), Billy Vunipola (Australia), Joe Cokanasiga (Fiji), Willi Heinz (New Zealand), Manu Tuilagi (Samoa), Mako Vunipola (New Zealand)

FRANCE - 6
Dany Priso (Cameroon), Peato Mauvaka (New Caledonia), Sebastien Vahaamahina (New Caledonia), Bernard le Roux (South Africa), Sofiane Guitoune (Algeria), Alivereti Raka (Fiji)

IRELAND - 5
Jean Kleyn (South Africa), CJ Stander (South Africa), Luke McGrath (Canada), Joey Carbery (New Zealand), Bundee Aki (New Zealand)

ALL BLACKS - 4
Sevu Reece (Fiji), Nepo Laulala (Samoa), Ofa Tu'ungafasi (Tonga), Shannon Frizell (Tonga)

SOUTH AFRICA - 1
Tendai Mtawarira (Zimbabwe)

ARGENTINA - 0
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There's a dedicated thread for this stuff...
https://www.therugbyforum.com/threads/the-residency-rule-thread.44519/
 
TRF_stormer2010 said:
Foreign-born players for some of the bigger sides in this RWC. Not meaning to stir here please. I think its perfectly logical that many players from nations with large player pools (England, NZ, SA) will drift (especially from England to Wales/Scotland as the they obviously share an island and I suppose there are many close ties) and that quality players from- lets face it- poorer nations (whether real or in rugby-terms) will seek opportunities abroad. Reading through the article I was more struck (as if I didn't realize this already) by how many of these players come from the PI nations. It will never happen but imagine a PI team similar to the West Indies in cricket with players from Fiji, Samoa and Tonga and those currently representing other nations all available. Even if only every other year forming up like the B&I Lions do. I'd pay to see that! Could be something to help fund the rugby in those nations.

SCOTLAND - 14
John Barclay (Hong Kong), Simon Berghan (New Zealand), Allan Dell (South Africa), WP Nel (South Africa), Blade Thomson (New Zealand), Ben Toolis (Australia), Hamish Watson (England), Ryan Wilson (England), Chris Harris (England), Sam Johnson (Australia), Sean Maitland (New Zealand), Ali Price (England), Tommy Seymour (USA), Duncan Taylor (England)

AUSTRALIA - 12
Tolu Latu (Tonga), Isi Naisarani (Fiji), Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (New Zealand), Taniela Tupou (Tonga), Jordan Uelese (New Zealand), Will Genia (Papa New Guinea), Dane Haylett-Petty (South Africa), Samu Kerevi (Fiji), Marika Koroibete (Fiji), Tevita Kuridrani (Fiji), Christian Lealiifano (New Zealand), David Pocock (Zimbabwe)

WALES - 8
Tomas Francis (England), Jake Ball (England), Ross Moriarty (England), Aaron Shingler (England), Jonathan Davies (England), Hadleigh Parkes (New Zealand), Hallam Amos (England), George North (England)

ITALY - 8
Dean Budd (New Zealand), David Sisi (Germany), Sebastian Negri (Zimbabwe), Sergio Parisse (Argentina), Jake Polledri (England), Abraham Steyn (South Africa), Callum Braley (England), Jayden Hayward (New Zealand)

ENGLAND - 6
Sam Underhill (USA), Billy Vunipola (Australia), Joe Cokanasiga (Fiji), Willi Heinz (New Zealand), Manu Tuilagi (Samoa), Mako Vunipola (New Zealand)

FRANCE - 6
Dany Priso (Cameroon), Peato Mauvaka (New Caledonia), Sebastien Vahaamahina (New Caledonia), Bernard le Roux (South Africa), Sofiane Guitoune (Algeria), Alivereti Raka (Fiji)

IRELAND - 5
Jean Kleyn (South Africa), CJ Stander (South Africa), Luke McGrath (Canada), Joey Carbery (New Zealand), Bundee Aki (New Zealand)

ALL BLACKS - 4
Sevu Reece (Fiji), Nepo Laulala (Samoa), Ofa Tu'ungafasi (Tonga), Shannon Frizell (Tonga)

SOUTH AFRICA - 1
Tendai Mtawarira (Zimbabwe)

ARGENTINA - 0
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Like this or do you mean to include players who are born there and play for T1 nations?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Pacific_Islanders_rugby_union_tour_of_Europe
 
The Alpha Bro said:
Like this or do you mean to include players who are born there and play for T1 nations?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Pacific_Islanders_rugby_union_tour_of_Europe
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I was thinking a bit of both but it would place those players in an awkward position were they to play against their regular nations. Maybe a 2 year cycle in between the RWC and the B&I Lions tours with one year those teams and PI players in tier 1 SH teams tour the NH and then the next one players from PI teams and NH tier 1 teams tour the SH. Still a bit clanky though and in all honesty. Just something I could get excited about. A kind of State of Origin PI invitation team.
 
TRF_stormer2010 said:
Sure, but this is a stat.. a snapshot of this RWC specifically.

I suppose I should've known people were going to take it other than the way I intended..
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I didn't mean to be rude, it's nothing against you personally, sorry if I came across as pissy! But it seems almost inevitable that introducing this topic into ANY thread rapidly causes it to be derailed in that direction, in my experience, so my heart always sinks when I see the subject raised
 
Every Time Ref said:
I didn't mean to be rude, it's nothing against you personally, sorry if I came across as pissy! But it seems almost inevitable that introducing this topic into ANY thread rapidly causes it to be derailed in that direction, in my experience, so my heart always sinks when I see the subject raised
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No offense taken. I kind of knew I was treading murky waters, hence what I was hoping was a sufficient 'disclaimer' but I know full well where you coming from LOL- I've seen enough of those threads.
 
I'm actually surprized to see that Schalk Brits isn't the oldest player in the tournament, even if it's just by a month. Is there no stats so far on length? The top 5 Tallest and top 5 shortest players?
 
It was very nice of Ireland to offer Luke McGrath and Jamie Heaslip a chance at an international career after failing to make it in their powerhouse home countries of Canada and Israel respectively.
 
Leinster Fan said:
It was very nice of Ireland to offer Luke McGrath and Jamie Heaslip a chance at an international career after failing to make it in their powerhouse home countries of Canada and Israel respectively.
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Not about McGrath's example (i don't know the specifics), but that is, exactly, the quid. You see it as something good. I see that as THE problem.
You seem to think that national teams should be out there "offering opportunites" to others that come from what you deem to be lesser teams.
Others, myself included, do not.

I mean, look at what rugby's become. You have people like Manu Tuilagi who, at 28 years of age and after living over half his life in the UK says, and i quote "England is very special to me, of course, but my heart and home is still Samoa.".
But hey, the fact that he stayed illegally on a holiday visa for 6 years is irrelevant. He earns more money playing for England and when he was about to get deported Leicester and the RFU stepped in and stop him from being sent to Apia.
Apparently rich nations "offering opportunities", financial ones mainly, to people from poorer nations, is what many want.

Established, rich, Tier one nations, "offering (financial) opportunities" to people from poorer and less developed rugby nations.
The same 6/7 nations fighting for the ***le again and again and again,... while beating 95% of non tier 1 nations by 30 points or more. That's what we all want to see, right? A great concentration of talent in a minute number f teams in what we'd like to become a global sport.

I'm sure that'll do wonders for the development of the sport.

You want those to be the rules, fine, all good, but don't kid yourself by thinking that has no consequences.

EDIT:
PS: just to be absolutely clear, i am in no way saying every that all players should be born in the country they represent. That'd be silly.
 
Cruz_del_Sur said:
Apparently rich nations "offering opportunities", financial ones mainly, to people from poorer nations, is what many want.

Established, rich, Tier one nations, "offering (financial) opportunities" to people from poorer and less developed rugby nations.
The same 6/7 nations fighting for the ***le again and again and again,... while beating 95% of non tier 1 nations by 30 points or more. That's what we all want to see, right? A great concentration of talent in a minute number f teams in what we'd like to become a global sport.

I'm sure that'll do wonders for the development of the sport.

You want those to be the rules, fine, all good, but don't kid yourself by thinking that has no consequences.
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Careful Now Cruz
They might be accuse you of being Xenophobic Racist Bigoted or any other Ad Hominems :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The Irish Crew get very touchy on these matters

The facts are that the likes of Rokocoko, Reece, Laulua etc are moving to a country (NZ) as children or teenagers
A country where they've familial & cultural links
A country that has had a pattern of migration for generations

This is vastly different to Adults like Stander Aki Vakatawa etc moving to nations where they've NO
familial or cultural links These guys playing International Rugby are nothing more than Imported Mercenaries

Anyone trying to make even a tenuous link between the two is being wilfully disingenuous
if not outright obfuscating
 
Disgusting that Heaslip represents Ireland and not the land of his fathers.
 

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