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I could see Eddie picking Mitchell and Randall before Quirke and JvP. Both still young, but with more experience in both the premiership and the England setup.

I'd be happy for Quirke and JvP to continue with the U20s for another year before giving them a look.
 

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I'd be happy for Quirke and JvP to continue with the U20s
Aye, easy to forget they're both only 19
They'd be much better suited doing an u20s campaign (is it 6N or Junior World Cup this summer?) than holding tackle bags for the seniors

Spencer, Robson, Randall, Mitchell - it's not like there's no one behind Youngs, we've just not looked beyond him at any point since Care fell out of favour
 

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Aye, easy to forget they're both only 19
They'd be much better suited doing an u20s campaign (is it 6N or Junior World Cup this summer?) than holding tackle bags for the seniors

Spencer, Robson, Randall, Mitchell - it's not like there's no one behind Youngs, we've just not looked beyond him at any point since Care fell out of favour

This, players under 20 can still get look in at U20 level so I'm generally happier for them to go to something where they can play against others on a similar level rather than being potentially overwhelmed. I think only after 20 should they really be getting a look in at senior (unless they are just so good you simply can't wait).

Not too fussed who we choose tbh as long as it's someone new. Personally I think Spencer is the best all round SH in England atm and there really is no excuse at all to continue with Youngs on the tour regardless of availability.
 

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He would be helped by having a nonu/Tuilagi type inside. But as we don't have that what happens with him? Lawrence/Devoto probably wont give him the more space he needs to flourish, maybe big Joe or Steward coming into the midfield would help him more.
Talking on moving players, how about Sam Simmonds playing there???
 

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Talking on moving players, how about Sam Simmonds playing there???
I'm definitely not suggesting play Coka or Steward at 12 :) I'd just play Simmonds at 8 and try and play an actual 12 at 12.
 

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There really is some incredible young talent coming through. Reckon he will take some young 9’s too? I’d love to see Quirke and JvP in an England shirt.
He did mention looking at 9's as well, also noticeable he said when asked if England players had lost places in the Lions due to poor six nations performance he said " in that case, we'll be resting some of those guys"

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Eddie Jones has identified Marcus Smith and Joe Simmonds among a number of potential England debutants this summer, with the head coach set to cast his eye over a dozen prospects in the coming weeks as the Rugby Football Union mulls over his future.

Jones said after the dismal defeat by Ireland on Saturday that he would be making changes to his England squad – if he stays in the role – and his hand would be somewhat forced for matches against USA and Canada this summer, assuming they go ahead, with a number of his senior players set to be away with the British & Irish Lions.

Jones, meanwhile, is set to press on with his planning and has highlighted scrum-half and fly-half as positions in which he is looking for young talent. In all but one of his 64 Tests in charge, Jones has picked either George Ford or Owen Farrell to start at fly-half – the exception being Danny Cipriani, once, in 2018 – which has contributed to the perception he has become too loyal to a core group of players.

Smith was previously involved in a number of training squads while Jones – who also namechecked Wasps’ Charlie Atkinson and Worcester’s 18-year-old Fin Smith – has come under fire for consistently ignoring Simmonds, who captained Exeter to a Premiership and European Cup double last season.

At scrum-half Jones has only ever started Ben Youngs, Danny Care, Willi Heinz or Richard Wigglesworth – all of whom are 30 or older. “I am going to be up and down the freeways the next few weeks,” he said. “We have a list of 10-12 players we are going to look at. There are some good young guys, particularly in the 9s and 10s and that is the hardest area to adapt to Test rugby.

“There are some young 10s like Atkinson, Marcus Smith, Fin Smith, Simmonds at Exeter. They are all possibly going to have the opportunity to step up to the plate. It is the toughest position in world rugby. You have so much pressure, so little time and space, a lot of decisions to make so it’s a fantastic opportunity for one of the young guys to step up.”

England’s 32-18 loss to Ireland – meaning they lost to all three of their home nations rivals for the first time in 45 years – may well end up costing a number of Jones’s players a place in the Lions squad. “We might rest a few if that’s the case,” Jones added when speaking to the O2 Inside Line podcast. “We are really keen to bring some younger guys through. It is the right time for us in terms of our World Cup planning.”
 

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Well we will see if it happens or not. He has previously said he would make changes / rest players and then not done so. However the last time he did make any sort of changes was after the awful 2018 6 nations so maybe there is hope.
 

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EJ showing interest in Quirke and Rodd

 

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To think
Rodd, Capon, Heyes
All qualify for other countries
 

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So we do need to get a few of these lads nailed down...
 

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They are saying Rodd, so that he doesn't choose Scotland. Ridiculous argument, if he is being looked at, he is good.
And he has played for England through the age grades.

He’s from the Isle of Man and has lived in England at least since going to Sedbergh for school.

Hardly a poach ...
 

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And he has played for England through the age grades.

He’s from the Isle of Man and has lived in England at least since going to Sedbergh for school.

Hardly a poach ...


I will also say imo it’s a valid reason also to capture players
 

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What hookers do England have coming through?
 

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Barbeary is the obvious one (although we haven’t seen him play at hooker at senior level yet).

Will Capon (Bristol) and Jamie Blamire (Newcastle) both look very promising. Sam Riley (Quins) is very highly ratedand likely to be promoted from the academy next season.
 

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