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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1034992" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>It's also in contrast to other years where England were poor. Post WC in 2000 up to about early-mid 2010's English rugby was distinctly average and our club game was also pretty average. Now England have a fair few very capable club players who are woefully underperforming at international level. How many players actually play better for England than they do for their club? I think that right there is the big issue. A great coach gets the most out of players, a poor coach doesn't. Jones used to get the most out of his players but recently they have looked clueless and uncreative whereas for their clubs they can play some great stuff. For England it's robotic, there is little passion.</p><p></p><p>Even though Jones has survived, he must be on very thin ice. Considering all those 5's were only 2nd worst because we have Italy, the signals failings across the board and not merely being unlucky. There isn't a single area of weakness, it's weakness in every single aspect of the game across the entire team. That simply must fall squarely on Jones' shoulders. If he can't be held accountable for across the board performances of the entire team that he chose and knows then he can't be held accountable for anything.</p><p></p><p>More interesting would be to see the average stats for England for each year, I think a definite trend would appear showing this was not a one-off but part of systemic failings under Jones punctuated by the odd success. It feels like the team now wins despite him, not because of him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1034992, member: 56232"] It's also in contrast to other years where England were poor. Post WC in 2000 up to about early-mid 2010's English rugby was distinctly average and our club game was also pretty average. Now England have a fair few very capable club players who are woefully underperforming at international level. How many players actually play better for England than they do for their club? I think that right there is the big issue. A great coach gets the most out of players, a poor coach doesn't. Jones used to get the most out of his players but recently they have looked clueless and uncreative whereas for their clubs they can play some great stuff. For England it's robotic, there is little passion. Even though Jones has survived, he must be on very thin ice. Considering all those 5's were only 2nd worst because we have Italy, the signals failings across the board and not merely being unlucky. There isn't a single area of weakness, it's weakness in every single aspect of the game across the entire team. That simply must fall squarely on Jones' shoulders. If he can't be held accountable for across the board performances of the entire team that he chose and knows then he can't be held accountable for anything. More interesting would be to see the average stats for England for each year, I think a definite trend would appear showing this was not a one-off but part of systemic failings under Jones punctuated by the odd success. It feels like the team now wins despite him, not because of him. [/QUOTE]
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