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Super Rugby play-offs: Crusaders - Bulls in Christchurch (21/07/2012)
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<blockquote data-quote="nickdnz" data-source="post: 517449" data-attributes="member: 38640"><p>Wow, now it's the IRB's fault because somehow Australia and New Zealand can dictate their decisions? Wales and Ireland both play a fairly expansive game. I think rugby itself has become a more attractive product since the kick-fests of 2009 ended and viewing figures and the fact the game is growing larger in a world market seem to support that. More people watch rugby for the tries, so rule interpretations that discourage being in possession of the ball do nothing to help that.</p><p></p><p>Didn't see the bar chart or any link to it in your post. Regardless as others (all of whom have been South African) have been pointed out, context is entirely relevant to a decision. Even presuming these statistics are accurate, they don't take into account the circumstances in which the decision is made. I could take those same statistics and argue that South Africa commit more flagrant fouls. You have to use statistics like a drunken man uses lamposts...for support rather than illumination (Andrew Lang quote). A cynical infringment on the five metre line is going to earn a yellow card every time. </p><p></p><p>Which match are you talking about in regards to Allan Rolland? I presume All Blacks v Springboks in Wellington 2011? I understand getting upset by a 40-7 scoreline, but you've got to let it go.</p><p></p><p>In regards to the other point I bolded, yes you're right. That's why rugby has Laws instead of Rules. It's a too complicated game with too much grey area that so much of it has to be left up to interpretations. Because of this players like Richie McCaw play to the interpretations of the laws by a referee.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, Ezequiel is right. I don't know what your arguing anymore, other than it's unfair that New Zealand seem to be privleged by referees. You're yet to offer any reasons why that may be except all referees like New Zealand more (despite none being from New Zealand) <strong>or </strong>big bad Richie McCaw bullies referees. I'd love to hear your suggestions as to why, or rather how, New Zealand seems to have such influence over the IRB and their referees. I'm sure it will be as imaginative as it will be mental.</p><p></p><p>And yes, I think it's safe to call this a debate or an argument or w/e, as you are arguing a point and I'm not agreeing. A discussion implies a central view or rounded approach, something I think neither of us have.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nickdnz, post: 517449, member: 38640"] Wow, now it's the IRB's fault because somehow Australia and New Zealand can dictate their decisions? Wales and Ireland both play a fairly expansive game. I think rugby itself has become a more attractive product since the kick-fests of 2009 ended and viewing figures and the fact the game is growing larger in a world market seem to support that. More people watch rugby for the tries, so rule interpretations that discourage being in possession of the ball do nothing to help that. Didn't see the bar chart or any link to it in your post. Regardless as others (all of whom have been South African) have been pointed out, context is entirely relevant to a decision. Even presuming these statistics are accurate, they don't take into account the circumstances in which the decision is made. I could take those same statistics and argue that South Africa commit more flagrant fouls. You have to use statistics like a drunken man uses lamposts...for support rather than illumination (Andrew Lang quote). A cynical infringment on the five metre line is going to earn a yellow card every time. Which match are you talking about in regards to Allan Rolland? I presume All Blacks v Springboks in Wellington 2011? I understand getting upset by a 40-7 scoreline, but you've got to let it go. In regards to the other point I bolded, yes you're right. That's why rugby has Laws instead of Rules. It's a too complicated game with too much grey area that so much of it has to be left up to interpretations. Because of this players like Richie McCaw play to the interpretations of the laws by a referee. Anyway, Ezequiel is right. I don't know what your arguing anymore, other than it's unfair that New Zealand seem to be privleged by referees. You're yet to offer any reasons why that may be except all referees like New Zealand more (despite none being from New Zealand) [B]or [/B]big bad Richie McCaw bullies referees. I'd love to hear your suggestions as to why, or rather how, New Zealand seems to have such influence over the IRB and their referees. I'm sure it will be as imaginative as it will be mental. And yes, I think it's safe to call this a debate or an argument or w/e, as you are arguing a point and I'm not agreeing. A discussion implies a central view or rounded approach, something I think neither of us have. [/QUOTE]
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