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<blockquote data-quote="Larksea" data-source="post: 1004463" data-attributes="member: 43875"><p>Firstly, dual play makers does work, has been working and will keep working if its done right. Losing one game doesn't mean all of a sudden it doesn't work and should be thrown out. That's a very simple reductionist way of looking at it.</p><p>So is the saying "X team was too good on the day". A fair statement to rationalize and accept a loss and move on but ultimately meaningless in doing an actual analysis of a game or performance.</p><p>Though I do agree with the statement "Steve Hansen did not properly rebuild the team post 2015". But I actually game the reasons why that was the case. I've never been a huge fan of Hansen but most of it wasn't his fault.</p><p>1, the man reason was the 2017 lions tour. Players that would have normally left after the 2015 WC stayed in the NZ game to be part of the Lions series and then left. So we had a player exodus in 2015 and then another in 2017 after the Lions (Cruden, TKB, Fekitoa, Kaino, Sopoaga for example)</p><p>2, Squire, Dmac, Owen Franks and Reiko Ioane... Squire filled the vacancy at 6 but had injury and mental health issues which despite at the time he was back playing well he ruled himself out of selection, When the AB's rebuilt in 2018 DMac became a critical part of the AB's attack but did a knee and was out of the RWC. Then there was Reiko Ioane who was probably the best winger in the world in 17-18 but for some reason his form almost totally vanished for 2019. And also add to a lesser extent Ben Smith, probably the best 15 in the world for the last decade struggled with injury through 2019 and struggled to regain form in time to make an impact at the WC. Owen franks was NZ's test 3 for a decade had some injury and form issues and missed selection for the WC.</p><p>This was all a massive turnover of players for 2017-2019, because of that the AB's started 2019 as pretty much an experimental side. As I said I think for a time the NZ public actually accepted that and didn't expect to win the RWC. That was up until the experiment started to work and the side put together some great performances despite the far from ideal circumstances and rebuilt the public expectation.</p><p>Well don't always believe what you read, Sam Cane is still the best test 7 in the NZ game and anyone who thinks he doesn't deserve selection should actually look at his stats. its no secret that the chiefs haven't clicked under Gatland this year but Cane still ran up great numbers. Check out 2c on youtube did a pretty good stat analysis showing numbers adjusted for playtime [MEDIA=youtube]XjE8zPwFGLI[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Lastly its pretty much a Rule that the All Blacks play fullbacks as wingers, fullbacks have a more complete skillset which is better suited to test Rugby. Cory jane, converted from fullback to wing to play test rugby. Both Dagg and Ben Smith are both fullbacks that played a LOT on the wing to accommodate each other and Mils, then there is Richard Kahui who was a 13 converted to wing for test footy and was a huge success, that may see strange but he had that complete skillset of a fullback. Even nehe milner-skudder I believe was mostly a fullback before moving to wing to play tests. George Bridge played a lot at fullback. Its actually rare for an all out specialist winger to hold down a spot on the wing. Take Rieko out since he sees himself as a midfielder the only obvious one in recent history is Julian Savea and Naholo before that you have to go back to the 2007 WC squad with Roko, Sivivatu and Howlett.</p><p>When you boil that all down, the all blacks like selecting fullbacks to play wing. And since they have been doing it they have won 2 would cups and dominated the #1 spot in the rankings so you cant say it hasn't worked <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Larksea, post: 1004463, member: 43875"] Firstly, dual play makers does work, has been working and will keep working if its done right. Losing one game doesn't mean all of a sudden it doesn't work and should be thrown out. That's a very simple reductionist way of looking at it. So is the saying "X team was too good on the day". A fair statement to rationalize and accept a loss and move on but ultimately meaningless in doing an actual analysis of a game or performance. Though I do agree with the statement "Steve Hansen did not properly rebuild the team post 2015". But I actually game the reasons why that was the case. I've never been a huge fan of Hansen but most of it wasn't his fault. 1, the man reason was the 2017 lions tour. Players that would have normally left after the 2015 WC stayed in the NZ game to be part of the Lions series and then left. So we had a player exodus in 2015 and then another in 2017 after the Lions (Cruden, TKB, Fekitoa, Kaino, Sopoaga for example) 2, Squire, Dmac, Owen Franks and Reiko Ioane... Squire filled the vacancy at 6 but had injury and mental health issues which despite at the time he was back playing well he ruled himself out of selection, When the AB's rebuilt in 2018 DMac became a critical part of the AB's attack but did a knee and was out of the RWC. Then there was Reiko Ioane who was probably the best winger in the world in 17-18 but for some reason his form almost totally vanished for 2019. And also add to a lesser extent Ben Smith, probably the best 15 in the world for the last decade struggled with injury through 2019 and struggled to regain form in time to make an impact at the WC. Owen franks was NZ's test 3 for a decade had some injury and form issues and missed selection for the WC. This was all a massive turnover of players for 2017-2019, because of that the AB's started 2019 as pretty much an experimental side. As I said I think for a time the NZ public actually accepted that and didn't expect to win the RWC. That was up until the experiment started to work and the side put together some great performances despite the far from ideal circumstances and rebuilt the public expectation. Well don't always believe what you read, Sam Cane is still the best test 7 in the NZ game and anyone who thinks he doesn't deserve selection should actually look at his stats. its no secret that the chiefs haven't clicked under Gatland this year but Cane still ran up great numbers. Check out 2c on youtube did a pretty good stat analysis showing numbers adjusted for playtime [MEDIA=youtube]XjE8zPwFGLI[/MEDIA] Lastly its pretty much a Rule that the All Blacks play fullbacks as wingers, fullbacks have a more complete skillset which is better suited to test Rugby. Cory jane, converted from fullback to wing to play test rugby. Both Dagg and Ben Smith are both fullbacks that played a LOT on the wing to accommodate each other and Mils, then there is Richard Kahui who was a 13 converted to wing for test footy and was a huge success, that may see strange but he had that complete skillset of a fullback. Even nehe milner-skudder I believe was mostly a fullback before moving to wing to play tests. George Bridge played a lot at fullback. Its actually rare for an all out specialist winger to hold down a spot on the wing. Take Rieko out since he sees himself as a midfielder the only obvious one in recent history is Julian Savea and Naholo before that you have to go back to the 2007 WC squad with Roko, Sivivatu and Howlett. When you boil that all down, the all blacks like selecting fullbacks to play wing. And since they have been doing it they have won 2 would cups and dominated the #1 spot in the rankings so you cant say it hasn't worked :p [/QUOTE]
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