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<blockquote data-quote="Umaga&#039;s Witness" data-source="post: 1050643" data-attributes="member: 65365"><p>The first question: to add to what's already been said,</p><p>to elaborate on the territory aspect, the up and under allows time for the defensive line to advance in unison, whereas if you kicked it along the groond the opposition would have a chance to run back, assess their options, link with their other players, and attack a disorganised defensive line.</p><p>Also, its not just that this kick happens when the attack, agaunst good defence, hasnt succeeded, its that it tends to occur when the kicking team is in their own half, where, at the elite level, if they give away a penalty they could concede 3 points.</p><p></p><p>on the second question: two points</p><p>First, often if you dont go for a drop goal you have a good chance of winning a penalty anyway, and penalties are easier than drip goals.</p><p>Second, sometimes it really is just the culture, teams just get stuck in their ways. Take kicks for touch off penalties as an example. For the most part teams have been very conservative in this aspect during the 30 or so years ive been watching top rugby, until recently (maybe the last 5 years, not sure). This whole time, untik it changed, i had been sitting there dumbfounded asking why? Why nit attempt to get more territory? You can get 20 metres extra on average by reducing the probability of making touch from around 100 to around 90 percent. Almost always thsts going to be worth it. Ok i get that teams are better at attacking mauls these days, so there's even more to gain, but it was always the case that after weighing up the risk and reward that teams should have been going for more territory, and practicing more.</p><p>in terms of the skill required, this differs per person. Personally i find it easy, though i cant drip kick far. Same with the chip over the top and regather at pace. There are players that can do these things relatively easily, but i do think coaches aren't recognising and encouraging it. We should be seeing more of it than we do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umaga's Witness, post: 1050643, member: 65365"] The first question: to add to what's already been said, to elaborate on the territory aspect, the up and under allows time for the defensive line to advance in unison, whereas if you kicked it along the groond the opposition would have a chance to run back, assess their options, link with their other players, and attack a disorganised defensive line. Also, its not just that this kick happens when the attack, agaunst good defence, hasnt succeeded, its that it tends to occur when the kicking team is in their own half, where, at the elite level, if they give away a penalty they could concede 3 points. on the second question: two points First, often if you dont go for a drop goal you have a good chance of winning a penalty anyway, and penalties are easier than drip goals. Second, sometimes it really is just the culture, teams just get stuck in their ways. Take kicks for touch off penalties as an example. For the most part teams have been very conservative in this aspect during the 30 or so years ive been watching top rugby, until recently (maybe the last 5 years, not sure). This whole time, untik it changed, i had been sitting there dumbfounded asking why? Why nit attempt to get more territory? You can get 20 metres extra on average by reducing the probability of making touch from around 100 to around 90 percent. Almost always thsts going to be worth it. Ok i get that teams are better at attacking mauls these days, so there's even more to gain, but it was always the case that after weighing up the risk and reward that teams should have been going for more territory, and practicing more. in terms of the skill required, this differs per person. Personally i find it easy, though i cant drip kick far. Same with the chip over the top and regather at pace. There are players that can do these things relatively easily, but i do think coaches aren't recognising and encouraging it. We should be seeing more of it than we do. [/QUOTE]
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