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Tana Umaga named as Counties Manukau Head Coach
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<blockquote data-quote="nickdnz" data-source="post: 472445" data-attributes="member: 38640"><p>But the transition that Blackadder made is pretty much identical to Umaga's. That's why I used him as an example. He was assistant coach with Edinburgh (as Umaga was to Toulon) and then went on to coach Tasman after a year or so of the Canterbury coaching environment, and then was made coach of Canterbury. What's the difference between him doing that and Umaga going from Assistant coach of Toulon, head coach of Toulon, assistant coach of Counties and now head coach of Counties? I don't see the difference.</p><p></p><p>I do get what you are saying, and I do agree to a certain extent, but since the game has gone professional, and there is such a divide between amateur and professional rugby, and the set up doesn't really allow for that to change. In England it's a little different to a large extent (more evident in football than in rugby), you still get heaps of professional players going to coach at the top level (Mike Catt, Andy Farrell etc), but the amateur game is more comparable because if you impress enough in a low devision, your club eventually gets promoted or you get signed by a club in a higher devision such as the championship (in both rugby and football), and if you impress enough their your club either gets promoted to the premiership or you get signed by a Premiership team (often in an assistant position). Stuart Lancaster is a good example, getting noticed with on again/off again Championship/Premiership side Leeds to eventually get the role of the Saxons and now England's National Team (for now).</p><p></p><p>In New Zealand, the bridges between Professional and Amateur rugby makes it considerably harder to compare coaches. Graham Henry would be lucky to get a spot with the Auckland if he started his career now. The way coaches in NZ get selected is by applying for NZ academies to learn coaching, and former pro's seem to get the most positions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nickdnz, post: 472445, member: 38640"] But the transition that Blackadder made is pretty much identical to Umaga's. That's why I used him as an example. He was assistant coach with Edinburgh (as Umaga was to Toulon) and then went on to coach Tasman after a year or so of the Canterbury coaching environment, and then was made coach of Canterbury. What's the difference between him doing that and Umaga going from Assistant coach of Toulon, head coach of Toulon, assistant coach of Counties and now head coach of Counties? I don't see the difference. I do get what you are saying, and I do agree to a certain extent, but since the game has gone professional, and there is such a divide between amateur and professional rugby, and the set up doesn't really allow for that to change. In England it's a little different to a large extent (more evident in football than in rugby), you still get heaps of professional players going to coach at the top level (Mike Catt, Andy Farrell etc), but the amateur game is more comparable because if you impress enough in a low devision, your club eventually gets promoted or you get signed by a club in a higher devision such as the championship (in both rugby and football), and if you impress enough their your club either gets promoted to the premiership or you get signed by a Premiership team (often in an assistant position). Stuart Lancaster is a good example, getting noticed with on again/off again Championship/Premiership side Leeds to eventually get the role of the Saxons and now England's National Team (for now). In New Zealand, the bridges between Professional and Amateur rugby makes it considerably harder to compare coaches. Graham Henry would be lucky to get a spot with the Auckland if he started his career now. The way coaches in NZ get selected is by applying for NZ academies to learn coaching, and former pro's seem to get the most positions. [/QUOTE]
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