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<blockquote data-quote="Los Lover" data-source="post: 15225"><p>A few points - stop shaping the argument falsely.....</p><p></p><p>- the point that is being made is that the top 3 sides in the Super 12 on paper (Blues, ACT and the Crusaders would bot lose to a Heineken side 99/100 times and I stand by this point and this point ALONE.</p><p></p><p>Not that th Cats would beat Leicester etc - stop making **** up.</p><p></p><p>- Actually I watched the whole of the 5th round Bath versus Leinster match last night.....when was the last Super 12 game you watched? last weekend? If so I have watched NH rugby more recently than you have atched SH - fact.</p><p></p><p>- The ol' backs thing eh!? Have you seen recent matches between Oz and England, Oz and France and, more importantly NZ versus France? (don't include the other games b/c it was our "b" team...and we still won.). I am telling you that the forward packs of the TOP 3 (make sure remember this buddy - don't go changing the thread of the argument again) Super 12 sides I've mentioned are at least the equal of the top NH sides - whose entire line-ups I have studied in the last few days as I requested they be posted...It's called research and, really mate, I think that (because rugby is actually our national sport) kiwis know about and watch a lot more rugby than you do. this allows US to be more broadminded. I don't consider broadmindedness meaning PC subservience to the idea of equality between sides when one side has significantly better personal and far far better backs, while having at least the equal in the forwards. This is illogical. This is your argument.</p><p></p><p>Check the Jamie Foxx argument - he hadn't won the oscar, but we all knew he would (you might not have though) - this is exactly the same as your infantile argument that we won't know until they've played. Would you say that about Ireland? Because some might think that they would give us a decent struggle - they're a very good side - BUT they have NEVER beaten us.</p><p></p><p>Wake up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Los Lover, post: 15225"] A few points - stop shaping the argument falsely..... - the point that is being made is that the top 3 sides in the Super 12 on paper (Blues, ACT and the Crusaders would bot lose to a Heineken side 99/100 times and I stand by this point and this point ALONE. Not that th Cats would beat Leicester etc - stop making **** up. - Actually I watched the whole of the 5th round Bath versus Leinster match last night.....when was the last Super 12 game you watched? last weekend? If so I have watched NH rugby more recently than you have atched SH - fact. - The ol' backs thing eh!? Have you seen recent matches between Oz and England, Oz and France and, more importantly NZ versus France? (don't include the other games b/c it was our "b" team...and we still won.). I am telling you that the forward packs of the TOP 3 (make sure remember this buddy - don't go changing the thread of the argument again) Super 12 sides I've mentioned are at least the equal of the top NH sides - whose entire line-ups I have studied in the last few days as I requested they be posted...It's called research and, really mate, I think that (because rugby is actually our national sport) kiwis know about and watch a lot more rugby than you do. this allows US to be more broadminded. I don't consider broadmindedness meaning PC subservience to the idea of equality between sides when one side has significantly better personal and far far better backs, while having at least the equal in the forwards. This is illogical. This is your argument. Check the Jamie Foxx argument - he hadn't won the oscar, but we all knew he would (you might not have though) - this is exactly the same as your infantile argument that we won't know until they've played. Would you say that about Ireland? Because some might think that they would give us a decent struggle - they're a very good side - BUT they have NEVER beaten us. Wake up. [/QUOTE]
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