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The Day England Humbled The All Blacks (And Buried A Few Stereotypes)
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<blockquote data-quote="Big Ewis" data-source="post: 598869" data-attributes="member: 57076"><p>that's a very, very humble post from you man, and don't take away everything from England man. Although what you're saying is exaggerated, I must confess to you my utter appreciation for your humility ! European sides only beat the Blacks ever so rarely (first since the great 2003 side for England !) and to say it's all a myth and the Blacks were merely tired is all, even though it's wrong is admirable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>that's right. And I agree with the Goode thing too. He looked like absolute crap in other int'ls, and he looked good in this one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I like that you bring about the notion of 'context'. In retrospect, England did lose its previous two matches that Tour before erupting against an "atypical" All-Blacks side. And then, putting up only one fine match against Scotland at home that had just no answer against the English forwards and simply could not win, in the 6N. Winning margins were narrow against a decaying French side at home, and Italy; a small victory in Ireland, and then a historical loss in Cardiff.</p><p></p><p>So about context:</p><p>It's interesting how had England beaten Australia and the Boks, albeit by as thin a margin as they've actually lost those - and then managed the Grand Slam in March; with on the side the Lions winning their first series in aeons and England smashing the Pumas B away - England would immediately be regarded as one of the best sides ever. Which is interesting, because that's just flatout wrong. </p><p>We would all look at that performance against the Blacks as a classic of a great England era, surrounded by bonafide wins and forever sealed in all eternity by the Grand Slam they'd have brought back home, also a first since the great 2003 days.</p><p></p><p>In stead, I've read an Englishman on these boards say about that English 6N side they'd have been the least lacklustre GrandSlam winning side of all-time. And yet, they were a handful of points away from making it a nice 3-zip against the SANZAR big 3 in Nov., and had they been on a better day somehow they may have taken the trophy home in Cardiff - with the exact same side, I'm not changing reality with this hypothesis.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Big Ewis, post: 598869, member: 57076"] that's a very, very humble post from you man, and don't take away everything from England man. Although what you're saying is exaggerated, I must confess to you my utter appreciation for your humility ! European sides only beat the Blacks ever so rarely (first since the great 2003 side for England !) and to say it's all a myth and the Blacks were merely tired is all, even though it's wrong is admirable. that's right. And I agree with the Goode thing too. He looked like absolute crap in other int'ls, and he looked good in this one. I like that you bring about the notion of 'context'. In retrospect, England did lose its previous two matches that Tour before erupting against an "atypical" All-Blacks side. And then, putting up only one fine match against Scotland at home that had just no answer against the English forwards and simply could not win, in the 6N. Winning margins were narrow against a decaying French side at home, and Italy; a small victory in Ireland, and then a historical loss in Cardiff. So about context: It's interesting how had England beaten Australia and the Boks, albeit by as thin a margin as they've actually lost those - and then managed the Grand Slam in March; with on the side the Lions winning their first series in aeons and England smashing the Pumas B away - England would immediately be regarded as one of the best sides ever. Which is interesting, because that's just flatout wrong. We would all look at that performance against the Blacks as a classic of a great England era, surrounded by bonafide wins and forever sealed in all eternity by the Grand Slam they'd have brought back home, also a first since the great 2003 days. In stead, I've read an Englishman on these boards say about that English 6N side they'd have been the least lacklustre GrandSlam winning side of all-time. And yet, they were a handful of points away from making it a nice 3-zip against the SANZAR big 3 in Nov., and had they been on a better day somehow they may have taken the trophy home in Cardiff - with the exact same side, I'm not changing reality with this hypothesis. [/QUOTE]
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