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<blockquote data-quote="shazbooger" data-source="post: 202413"><p>Ahhhhh in general I agree with everything you say. My reasons for voting yes were fairly simple; <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Every "normal" politician said thats the way we should vote. Daft reason but when you see the other extremes of socialists, dissidents and communists suggesting we vote the other way I just couldnt identify with it.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I strongly dissagreed with the No votes campaigning method. "Avoid a super european state", "Keep the foreigners OVER THERE" (not a slogan but a sentiment), "No to the end of our Neutrality"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Europe has been good to us, why spit in their faces now?</li> </ol><p>On your other points. All valid, but the EU and Irish gov would have to send a copy of the European constitution, the Irish constitution and the amendments to both, as set out in the Lisbon treaty to each household. In general to be used as fuel for a fire, or to be dumped in the recycling bin. Probably one of the largest ecological disasters in the history of the country <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> . Instead they send a fairly meaninless leaflet of about 4 pages that explained nothing.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, it was just too confusing. I'm a fairly intelligent guy, literate, and I've worked through some fairly massive global contracts in my time. This was all gobbildy gook to me.</p><p></p><p>All they had to do was nullify the NO campaigns negative messages and all would have been okay. Experts were rolled out to refute this that and the other, but there is nothing like a bit of fear to swing the undecided votes.</p><p></p><p>Your right though. There is still no clear concensus here as to whether the NO result was a good thing or bad thing for Europe. It definately wasnt an anti-europe vote so if they can allieviate the concerns regarding Irish neutrality, possibly the tax system and the commissioner issue, it would cruise through a second time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shazbooger, post: 202413"] Ahhhhh in general I agree with everything you say. My reasons for voting yes were fairly simple; [list=1][*]Every "normal" politician said thats the way we should vote. Daft reason but when you see the other extremes of socialists, dissidents and communists suggesting we vote the other way I just couldnt identify with it.[*]I strongly dissagreed with the No votes campaigning method. "Avoid a super european state", "Keep the foreigners OVER THERE" (not a slogan but a sentiment), "No to the end of our Neutrality"[*]Europe has been good to us, why spit in their faces now? [/list]On your other points. All valid, but the EU and Irish gov would have to send a copy of the European constitution, the Irish constitution and the amendments to both, as set out in the Lisbon treaty to each household. In general to be used as fuel for a fire, or to be dumped in the recycling bin. Probably one of the largest ecological disasters in the history of the country :) . Instead they send a fairly meaninless leaflet of about 4 pages that explained nothing. The thing is, it was just too confusing. I'm a fairly intelligent guy, literate, and I've worked through some fairly massive global contracts in my time. This was all gobbildy gook to me. All they had to do was nullify the NO campaigns negative messages and all would have been okay. Experts were rolled out to refute this that and the other, but there is nothing like a bit of fear to swing the undecided votes. Your right though. There is still no clear concensus here as to whether the NO result was a good thing or bad thing for Europe. It definately wasnt an anti-europe vote so if they can allieviate the concerns regarding Irish neutrality, possibly the tax system and the commissioner issue, it would cruise through a second time. [/QUOTE]
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