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<blockquote data-quote="Maccaweeny" data-source="post: 166641"><p>Well, looks like this was more serious than i first believed, but if I've learnt anything over the years, it's that the internet is serious f***ing business; this obviously being no exception. </p><p></p><p>"The idea that Australia has "moved on" contradicts its sometimes desperate and usually comical search for a national identity other than one which links back to the UK"</p><p></p><p>-Interesting sentiment, happens to be one that I don't really disagree with, in any societal context. If you read any of the wankers that constitute the contemporary western literary canon, they will tell you that a homogenous (and fictional) construction of nationalism is one of the precepts in creating a stable nation-state. That, by homogenising separate 'nationalisms', a diverse and highly opposed polity may be influenced and indeed mobilised by the employment of a mere few catch-phrases. Indeed, Australia is a poignant example, so is the United Kingdom. </p><p></p><p>I finding it rather ironic in the extreme, that in a topic dedicated to what can be fittingly described as a desperate and comical search for national identity, you see fit to criticise Australian conceptions of group nationalism.</p><p></p><p>Some kind of competition was run to define a flag which best represented the U.K. The winner, you described as a f***ing badass flaming skull from a Japanese animation series, and then in your next breath turn around and criticise the Australian identity and bust an ovary because some customs officer (a.k.a the most reasonable people in the world) stole some porn from your dad (thus reflecting on the whole Australian population...obviously). What's our reaction supposed to be, I mean are you purposefully trying to abase your argument by presenting it in the most unfortunate context and basing it on the most generalised dictums possible? </p><p></p><p>"I can assure you though that the UK has been a bit more liberal and progressive than Australia ever has"</p><p></p><p>O'rly? That's interesting, so all the time i've been studying both English and Australian Common Law and subsequently researched examples of Aussie judicial activism that have been later appropriated within English case law, i was obviously mistaken. Your dad had his porn confiscated in 1969, 'nuff said aye? </p><p></p><p>Shall I continue? I can; previous euthanasia legislation, equitable practice reform, there is quite a bit. Both the United Kingdom and Australia have made gains (and also taken steps backwards) within different areas, and by no means is it a simple matter of "U.K > Australia". If I made the opposing claim when i'm in the U.K tomorrow, i'd save other people the trouble and consider myself a bigot.</p><p></p><p>As for the Sheridan dig? A 60% win ratio over England in RU (an Australian minority sport), good cricket history, and far superior medal talley in both the Commonwealth and Olympic games will do me over just fine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maccaweeny, post: 166641"] Well, looks like this was more serious than i first believed, but if I've learnt anything over the years, it's that the internet is serious f***ing business; this obviously being no exception. "The idea that Australia has "moved on" contradicts its sometimes desperate and usually comical search for a national identity other than one which links back to the UK" -Interesting sentiment, happens to be one that I don't really disagree with, in any societal context. If you read any of the wankers that constitute the contemporary western literary canon, they will tell you that a homogenous (and fictional) construction of nationalism is one of the precepts in creating a stable nation-state. That, by homogenising separate ‘nationalisms’, a diverse and highly opposed polity may be influenced and indeed mobilised by the employment of a mere few catch-phrases. Indeed, Australia is a poignant example, so is the United Kingdom. I finding it rather ironic in the extreme, that in a topic dedicated to what can be fittingly described as a desperate and comical search for national identity, you see fit to criticise Australian conceptions of group nationalism. Some kind of competition was run to define a flag which best represented the U.K. The winner, you described as a f***ing badass flaming skull from a Japanese animation series, and then in your next breath turn around and criticise the Australian identity and bust an ovary because some customs officer (a.k.a the most reasonable people in the world) stole some porn from your dad (thus reflecting on the whole Australian population...obviously). What’s our reaction supposed to be, I mean are you purposefully trying to abase your argument by presenting it in the most unfortunate context and basing it on the most generalised dictums possible? “I can assure you though that the UK has been a bit more liberal and progressive than Australia ever has” O’rly? That’s interesting, so all the time i’ve been studying both English and Australian Common Law and subsequently researched examples of Aussie judicial activism that have been later appropriated within English case law, i was obviously mistaken. Your dad had his porn confiscated in 1969, ‘nuff said aye? Shall I continue? I can; previous euthanasia legislation, equitable practice reform, there is quite a bit. Both the United Kingdom and Australia have made gains (and also taken steps backwards) within different areas, and by no means is it a simple matter of “U.K > Australia”. If I made the opposing claim when i’m in the U.K tomorrow, i’d save other people the trouble and consider myself a bigot. As for the Sheridan dig? A 60% win ratio over England in RU (an Australian minority sport), good cricket history, and far superior medal talley in both the Commonwealth and Olympic games will do me over just fine. [/QUOTE]
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