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<blockquote data-quote="Caledfwlch" data-source="post: 166732"><p>Well, this is quite a comical topic to start with. My disdain is not with Australia but with those who don't really like poking fun at their own culture and socety. Considering I've spent a fair bit of the topic basically ******* on my own flag and setting it alight should be a bit of a clue. I am a bit jealous of Australia, I must admit it, for there is no motoracing event here which gives you the chance to drink loads and throw flaming toilet rolls at one another around a big bonfire. Seriously, it sucks. </p><p></p><p>What I'm wondering is why you are so hyper-sensitive about what is standard banter here in the UK. Considering that the Queen Mother was always drunk on gin and that the Duke of Edinburgh is quite happily one of the most non-PC guys around, depicting the Queen as a sex worker is quite mild by comparison, quite hilarious too! :lol: </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I'm not saying you should be anything, you're quite capable of doing anything you chaps want. What I found comical is that Australia wants to "foster ties" with a region whose leaders have never ever wanted you and probably never will either. It reflects a substantial racism <em>against</em> Australia in which Asia is more or less a closed shop. Yes, immigration from various parts of Asia has been successful for Australia, but that doesn't reflect one bit on the attitude of the leaders of China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc who treat Australia with a mixture of digust and suspicion. Sure, some of them are taking advantage of Australia's abundant natural resources but that does not mean friendly international relations. Asia is very much a closed shop full of authoritarian regeimes disguised under a veneer of democracy who rarely speak out and in fact close ranks when a neighbor does something wrong. </p><p></p><p>This is something which is very much out of step which how Australia operates, a vibrant federal democracy with a strong and independent press and judiciary with an outspoken record on international affairs guided by a strong sense of right and wrong with no doubts that rocking the boat gets results. Without Australia for example, Zimbabwe would never had been punished in the Commonwealth and that is something which I am truly jealous of: a backbone on the world stage something which nations like New Zealand, the UK and Canada could all seriously do with rather than poncing around with "Nuclear free zones" and "sustainable development investment" rubbish.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, all of this simply scares the leaders who make up ASEAN and even raises eyebrows in nations such as supposedly democratic<strong> Japan (who have only had one change of government in the last 50 years). </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>As you can see, Australia has many things to be proud of, but I have no doubt that Paul Keating did make a mistake in pandering to the various leaders of Asia in an attempt to "forge stronger ties". </p><p></p><p>On the basis of all of this, there is alot to be proud of but when things are wrong or could be improved, you should not feel that poking fun against your own society is a bad thing. It just makes for a healthier democracy and society as a whole.</p><p></p><p>(that and I did have a VISA denied...it was for the porn too!!! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> ) [/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Or Singapore! No change in 43 years! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> 31 of that 43 was under one, singular Prime Minister.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Caledfwlch, post: 166732"] Well, this is quite a comical topic to start with. My disdain is not with Australia but with those who don't really like poking fun at their own culture and socety. Considering I've spent a fair bit of the topic basically ******* on my own flag and setting it alight should be a bit of a clue. I am a bit jealous of Australia, I must admit it, for there is no motoracing event here which gives you the chance to drink loads and throw flaming toilet rolls at one another around a big bonfire. Seriously, it sucks. What I'm wondering is why you are so hyper-sensitive about what is standard banter here in the UK. Considering that the Queen Mother was always drunk on gin and that the Duke of Edinburgh is quite happily one of the most non-PC guys around, depicting the Queen as a sex worker is quite mild by comparison, quite hilarious too! :lol: Well I'm not saying you should be anything, you're quite capable of doing anything you chaps want. What I found comical is that Australia wants to "foster ties" with a region whose leaders have never ever wanted you and probably never will either. It reflects a substantial racism [i]against[/i] Australia in which Asia is more or less a closed shop. Yes, immigration from various parts of Asia has been successful for Australia, but that doesn't reflect one bit on the attitude of the leaders of China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc who treat Australia with a mixture of digust and suspicion. Sure, some of them are taking advantage of Australia's abundant natural resources but that does not mean friendly international relations. Asia is very much a closed shop full of authoritarian regeimes disguised under a veneer of democracy who rarely speak out and in fact close ranks when a neighbor does something wrong. This is something which is very much out of step which how Australia operates, a vibrant federal democracy with a strong and independent press and judiciary with an outspoken record on international affairs guided by a strong sense of right and wrong with no doubts that rocking the boat gets results. Without Australia for example, Zimbabwe would never had been punished in the Commonwealth and that is something which I am truly jealous of: a backbone on the world stage something which nations like New Zealand, the UK and Canada could all seriously do with rather than poncing around with "Nuclear free zones" and "sustainable development investment" rubbish. Anyway, all of this simply scares the leaders who make up ASEAN and even raises eyebrows in nations such as supposedly democratic[b] Japan (who have only had one change of government in the last 50 years). [/b] As you can see, Australia has many things to be proud of, but I have no doubt that Paul Keating did make a mistake in pandering to the various leaders of Asia in an attempt to "forge stronger ties". On the basis of all of this, there is alot to be proud of but when things are wrong or could be improved, you should not feel that poking fun against your own society is a bad thing. It just makes for a healthier democracy and society as a whole. (that and I did have a VISA denied...it was for the porn too!!! :( ) [/b][/quote] Or Singapore! No change in 43 years! :P 31 of that 43 was under one, singular Prime Minister. [/QUOTE]
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