The People Who Ruined The Decade

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  1. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    The wonderful Grauniad has been doing a series on this, naming and shaming such wankers as will.i.am, simon cowell, Seth Cohen, scouting for girls and anyone else who has contributed to the vacuum that is British popular culture of the noughties.

    I have to say I agree with almost everything they've said.

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  3. RC

    RC Guest

    I like Will.I.Am, simply because i can see the positive influence his music has on the underprivelaged kids in New York. They love B.E.P and the music which encourages them to dance and find positive things to do in their lives.

    They didn't like Shaun of hte Dead?
    The guy from Juno and Superbad?

    The irony that Myself (as well as a whole bunch of others) wouldn't have read his article had it not been for the internet and he hates the guy who invented the internet? Hmm...


    Actually, i've just realised this is the f***ing guardian.
    No wonder i can't take it seriously.
    Either i disagree with the people stated or i just plain dont know who they are.
    I quit.
     
  4. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RC @ Dec 24 2009, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    They liked Shaun of the Dead in the same way they liked the internet man, David Simon, Michael Cera and Mike Skinner. However, these guys were nominated for the fact that the things they did then went on to inspire others to make tripe.

    will.i.am has had a part in mozzletoff and about 10 other awful BEP songs. His other production work, coupled with that of Timbaland, Pharrell and Kanye West has contributed to some SHOCKING music. To quote the article, "it's with a crushing inevitability that he appears on any new Big Pop Album and has been responsible for making everything sound identically dumb."

    Underpriveleged kids in New York were doing fine with Boogie Down Productions et al when mainstream hip-hop still came with a message, rather than another fine lot who ruined the noughties, 50 Cent and his ilk, came along with their unimaginitive tripe.

    In fact, if anything sums up how rubbish mainstream black American music has become, it's Snoop Dogg's reworking of this innovative British song. Here, a rapper who hasn't been good since the mid-90s takes a highly original British urban tune and adds his own money-obsessed lyrics (that I could have written and recorded in 2 mins). In one song, here is noughties mainstream music.
     
  5. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Quite Pathetic the way they picked on Clarkson just because he's Clarkson... Then again I'd expect nothing less from a socialist rag like the Guardian.
     
  6. shtove

    shtove Guest

    If they have Gordon Brown in there, I can relax in the knowledge that the coming decade of misery is going to be blamed on the right knobhead.
     
  7. RC

    RC Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Dec 24 2009, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    But that clearly shows me, how you've never even ventured anywhere near the Bronx, Brooklyn, Jamaican Queens or other such under privelaged areas.
    I'm not talking about the credentials of mainstream hip hop in the naughties - I'm referring to how it's promoting a more positive message. The beats are catchier, and glamorising the music in such a global aspect rather than keeping with hip hop and rap as being a gang related issue is something i think is a great thing.
    I've talked to so many teachers who have seen a remarkable increase in students in their schools. It's not like watching Michelle Pfeiffer teaching in a school as much anymore. More kids are graduating and doing better with their lives, making something of themselves rather than joining gangs etc.
    NYC and it's running government are all boasting that it's down to them that crime levels have dropped and education has progressed, and so it may have, but the music has changed in that time as well.
    I have no idea what is behind all this positivity, but your (and the guardian's) issues with this music is just unfortunate, when people like Will.I.Am openly encourage the positivity of telling kids they can achieve anything, rather than forgetting the black working class and concentrating on the middle america.
     
  8. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RC @ Dec 27 2009, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    But that clearly shows me, how you've never even ventured anywhere near the Bronx, Brooklyn, Jamaican Queens or other such under privelaged areas.
    I'm not talking about the credentials of mainstream hip hop in the naughties - I'm referring to how it's promoting a more positive message. The beats are catchier, and glamorising the music in such a global aspect rather than keeping with hip hop and rap as being a gang related issue is something i think is a great thing.
    I've talked to so many teachers who have seen a remarkable increase in students in their schools. It's not like watching Michelle Pfeiffer teaching in a school as much anymore. More kids are graduating and doing better with their lives, making something of themselves rather than joining gangs etc.
    NYC and it's running government are all boasting that it's down to them that crime levels have dropped and education has progressed, and so it may have, but the music has changed in that time as well.
    I have no idea what is behind all this positivity, but your (and the guardian's) issues with this music is just unfortunate, when people like Will.I.Am openly encourage the positivity of telling kids they can achieve anything, rather than forgetting the black working class and concentrating on the middle america.
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    I don't want to get into a debate about the state of wellbeing of NY kids, because as you say, I've never been to america.

    However I will say that you seem to attribute a lot of this to 'will.i.am' type music. I hardly think that Pussycat Dolls, Fergie, FloRida and Usher are sending out any kind of message at all, good or bad. This kind of music is teenage girl music. It's the same as Boyzone, Westlife, Britney.... in other words, it's pop. And pop does very well in the charts. And the charts are a measure of commercial success.

    Which brings me back to your deprived New York kids. They don't spend the money that powers the US charts. Neither do they go to the concerts or buy the merchandise. This is done by (largely white), middle class people.

    So I fail to see how will.i.am, Timbaland, Kanye West and co are to be credited with benefitting poor black kids when their work is aimed at and consumed by the middle classes. Especially when people have been making conscious hiphop, with an actual message, for 30 years, and this has had little effect.

    Also, go and re-evaluate the part of your post I bolded. I'll cite the 3 most popular rappers to emerge in the naughties - The Game, 50 Cent, and Lil' Wayne. Look up their lyrical content. I rest my case.
     
  9. RC

    RC Guest

    You seemed to go on and on considering you don't want a debate.
    Like i said, i have no idea what's contributing to the progress of the kids in the deprived areas of New York, but i do know that they are growing up hand in hand with the likes of BEP - and yes, even lil wayne and "fiddy" - but to think that the other artists aren't sending out a message is a little narrow minded.
    So, rap nad hip hop stars can send out negative messages, but not positive ones?

    I maintain, that the tame lyrics, great beats and catchy dance moves that come with these stars are a good thing.
    You can go on believing what you like - I'd rather be happy with it all than grumpy with it all, that's for sure.

    And one final thing, stop referring to them as "my deprived new york kids" it's a little belittling when you overexaggerate the issue. I worked with 1000s over them over the past 2 years, yes, but i won't have you subtly mocking me.
    If that was unintentional, then i take it back.

    If you don't mind, I'm gonna get some Boom Boom Pow.
     
  10. RC

    RC Guest

    I just realised how negative my whole post sounded.
    I just got a little defensive.
    If you don't like the music, and you agree the it contributed to further "tripe" being released in the charts then that's totally fine.
    I like the music and i like the memories i have of that music with the kids i worked with.
    My apologies if i came across as a twat.
     
  11. Olyy

    Olyy Guest

    Glad to see Piers Morgan and Kanye West in there, words can't describe how much i detest those two
     
  12. For me nobody ruined the decade ... we should look at the positive of picture. Gordon Brown is a sensible man and he can do good for all of us. Stay positive guyz!
     
  13. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sheily Kidman @ Jan 4 2010, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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  14. getofmeland

    getofmeland Guest

    Amanda Holden Ruined the Decade!!! She Came Back to TV and told Britain who had talent... Fine words from an untalented whore!!!
     
  15. Olyy

    Olyy Guest

    I really can't stand her smugness =/
    Then again, the same could be said of piers morgan.
    I hate britains got talent.
     
  16. RC

    RC Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (getofmeland @ Jan 4 2010, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I wouldnt say no.
     
  17. getofmeland

    getofmeland Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RC @ Jan 5 2010, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I wouldnt say no.
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    You wouldn't say no to Susan Boyle, Gordon Brown, John Prescott or Beth Ditto!!!
     
  18. RC

    RC Guest

    I'm not picky...
     
  19. getofmeland

    getofmeland Guest

    We know!
     
  20. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    Standards are for virgins
     
  21. RC

    RC Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Jan 5 2010, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    :lol:
     
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