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<blockquote data-quote="shtove" data-source="post: 300787"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Jan 30 2010, 06:20 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=434354" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p>Well, that happens under all systems. Can't think of one where Superman didn't make it to the top.</p><p></p><p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Jan 30 2010, 06:20 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=434354" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p>This is the point about the right to bear arms in Merica - the provision for citizens to band together in militias was precisely to counter the authority of the empire. How relevant is it today? Not sure, but assuming that the state has the army and police behind it begs the question - the state does not have a monopoly on loyalty.</p><p></p><p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Jan 30 2010, 06:20 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=434354" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p>This is the real issue. Debatable on big business, although Tesco is crucial to maintaining the food supply in the UK and enjoys alot of leeway from gubmint. Maybe better to focus on big rent-seekers like the banks. The UK has an 83% stake in the most reckless bank in history, RBS, and took over B&B and NRK and still hasn't liquidated the assets of those companies as should rightfully happen in a bankruptcy. The state is hanging on because it wants them to get back to rent-seeking in order to prop up the housing market. It's working so far. I reckon the day government stepped in to NRK was the most exciting in Gordon Brown's life! And my earlier point about the state setting bankers' pay is valid - it is jaw dropping to see them convert taxpayer cash into bubble-peak bonuses.</p><p></p><p>One last thing - an extra partner in the fascist group hug is public sector unions. I'm sure you have many good things to say about them <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> In Ireland the social partnership model of negotation with such unions was followed like scripture, prime example of third way thinking. Result? Public sector workers haven't been hit with the recession or the consequences of their stupid borrowing, and the electorate is getting steamed about it. In this country watch out for the north of england and south wales - highly dependant on public sector employment, which is about to have the rug pulled from under.</p><p></p><p>And I think you're unwise to assume that Britain is rich. Not with the amount of debt carried by government and individuals.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shtove, post: 300787"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Jan 30 2010, 06:20 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=434354']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> Well, that happens under all systems. Can't think of one where Superman didn't make it to the top. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Jan 30 2010, 06:20 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=434354']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> This is the point about the right to bear arms in Merica - the provision for citizens to band together in militias was precisely to counter the authority of the empire. How relevant is it today? Not sure, but assuming that the state has the army and police behind it begs the question - the state does not have a monopoly on loyalty. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Jan 30 2010, 06:20 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=434354']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> This is the real issue. Debatable on big business, although Tesco is crucial to maintaining the food supply in the UK and enjoys alot of leeway from gubmint. Maybe better to focus on big rent-seekers like the banks. The UK has an 83% stake in the most reckless bank in history, RBS, and took over B&B and NRK and still hasn't liquidated the assets of those companies as should rightfully happen in a bankruptcy. The state is hanging on because it wants them to get back to rent-seeking in order to prop up the housing market. It's working so far. I reckon the day government stepped in to NRK was the most exciting in Gordon Brown's life! And my earlier point about the state setting bankers' pay is valid - it is jaw dropping to see them convert taxpayer cash into bubble-peak bonuses. One last thing - an extra partner in the fascist group hug is public sector unions. I'm sure you have many good things to say about them :P In Ireland the social partnership model of negotation with such unions was followed like scripture, prime example of third way thinking. Result? Public sector workers haven't been hit with the recession or the consequences of their stupid borrowing, and the electorate is getting steamed about it. In this country watch out for the north of england and south wales - highly dependant on public sector employment, which is about to have the rug pulled from under. And I think you're unwise to assume that Britain is rich. Not with the amount of debt carried by government and individuals. [/QUOTE]
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