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The RWC CHAMPIONS gloating thread
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<blockquote data-quote="TRF C A Iversen" data-source="post: 769363" data-attributes="member: 12312"><p>Despite what you say of Luyt, you have a whole post here seemingly backing up his opinion. Seems to me that same South African attitude about 1987 and 1991 is about and alive and well. Scarcely a comment at all saying anything that would infer that it's possible that South Africa would have lost those World Cups and plenty of comment to the contrary that they suggests they would've. </p><p></p><p>You've made examples involving dozens of countries in a multi-sports tournament to make your case. That's not the same thing at all. There seems to be a thing when people make comparisons nowadays, it's as if people say "B is more or less the same as A, because B is right beside A, and C well that's right next door to B, so that's basically A as well". Examples with a very thin connection to the discussed issue get used all the time now and it get further away from the issue.</p><p></p><p>South Africa as a country could've made changes to be a part of the world as the world progressed around it. It didn't, it wasn't there. The World Cup is simply a tournament. If you're there, you can win it. It's your nations decision to either make yourselves be there or not. South Africa made choices to keep itself out of the game, as it wasn't as a country ready to be there to hold with the ideals of all of the others. The right was forfeited by South Africa's lack of reaction.</p><p></p><p>If NZ had lost this tournament and all others, we still would be where we were/are in ranking. Number 1 for most of the time by a long way. That's what has always mattered more than a glorified knockout tournament and I'm glad to be able to say it, as I have for a long time, without someone saying, "it's only because you kiwi's keep losing them". </p><p></p><p>As final note, if New Zealand, who were certainly better than most other teams (year round) in most of the World Cups we lost, can lose and exit World Cups, then why wouldn't South Africa? As far as I'm concerned, that gets ignored.</p><p></p><p>The World Cup started in 1987 all right, but South Africa were unable as a nation to be there, based on their own choices. They had plenty of time to know what they had to do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF C A Iversen, post: 769363, member: 12312"] Despite what you say of Luyt, you have a whole post here seemingly backing up his opinion. Seems to me that same South African attitude about 1987 and 1991 is about and alive and well. Scarcely a comment at all saying anything that would infer that it's possible that South Africa would have lost those World Cups and plenty of comment to the contrary that they suggests they would've. You've made examples involving dozens of countries in a multi-sports tournament to make your case. That's not the same thing at all. There seems to be a thing when people make comparisons nowadays, it's as if people say "B is more or less the same as A, because B is right beside A, and C well that's right next door to B, so that's basically A as well". Examples with a very thin connection to the discussed issue get used all the time now and it get further away from the issue. South Africa as a country could've made changes to be a part of the world as the world progressed around it. It didn't, it wasn't there. The World Cup is simply a tournament. If you're there, you can win it. It's your nations decision to either make yourselves be there or not. South Africa made choices to keep itself out of the game, as it wasn't as a country ready to be there to hold with the ideals of all of the others. The right was forfeited by South Africa's lack of reaction. If NZ had lost this tournament and all others, we still would be where we were/are in ranking. Number 1 for most of the time by a long way. That's what has always mattered more than a glorified knockout tournament and I'm glad to be able to say it, as I have for a long time, without someone saying, "it's only because you kiwi's keep losing them". As final note, if New Zealand, who were certainly better than most other teams (year round) in most of the World Cups we lost, can lose and exit World Cups, then why wouldn't South Africa? As far as I'm concerned, that gets ignored. The World Cup started in 1987 all right, but South Africa were unable as a nation to be there, based on their own choices. They had plenty of time to know what they had to do. [/QUOTE]
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