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<blockquote data-quote="scuubasteve" data-source="post: 153553"><p>Mate, I think you lost me here??</p><p></p><p>No players of SANZAR origin (SA NZ AUS) play for their nation if they sign for a foreign club?</p><p></p><p>So more international rugby only means that players who won't be leaving for test rugby become more valuable to the Euro clubs? So they'd start paying more for foreign talent and less on locals? So you'd see more SANZAR players in Europe, and less Argies and PI's (who are the ones really benefitting from the current environment).</p><p></p><p>Or maybe I miss understood, apologies if I have.</p><p></p><p>Also, neither Samoa nor Tonga can support even one Super Team guys. It's simple maths. Teams need more than just TV revenue. They also need money from attendance and from local sposorship. These two tiny Island nations are AMAZING at creating talented players, but they lack the population and economy to support a team that would cost close to $5million a year, for only 15weeks.</p><p></p><p>Salaries for a current Australian Super Team currently sit around the AUS$4.5million p.a, not counting the massive 3rd party incentives for major players. Add to that value other costs like travel, training facilities, adminstration, coaching and accomadation for away games and you start to realise that while these tiny pacific nations can easily compete on the field, they can't compete off it at this level.</p><p></p><p><strong>Samoa </strong> </p><p></p><p>Population: 214,265</p><p>GDP Per Capita: $6,314</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Tonga</strong></p><p></p><p>Population: 102,000</p><p>GDP Per Capita: $7,984</p><p></p><p></p><p>Compare this to New Zealand, who are struggling to maintain 5 teams.</p><p></p><p><strong>New Zealand</strong></p><p></p><p>Population: 4,228,0000</p><p>GDP Per Capita: $26,470</p><p></p><p>Even Fiji might struggle to keep one team up and running.</p><p></p><p>TV revenue increases when the guys paying the bills (NewCorp) get more return for their investment. Samoa and Tonga are not exactly massive consumer markets driven by advertising and pay tv. So why would NewsCorp offer more money for nothing in return?</p><p></p><p>Like I've said (alot) before, I don't think Pacific Islands rugby can become professional unless the Japanese market is exploited. In the world of Pro Rugby, if you want the playing talents of the financially poor Pacific Island nations, then you have to also include the (currently) poor playing talents of the financially rich nation of Japan.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Finally, and most importantly, the IRB can't do much at all to influence the Super14. It has nothing to do with them at all. Not to sound negative, but News Corp has more say than the IRB and it is them that yoo'd need to please in order to force any changes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's why, as unlikely as it may seem, Japan is the key to unlocking the door.</p><p></p><p>After all, we're talking about a thing called Professional Rugby. People seems so hell bent on the Rugby that they neglect the Professional part.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scuubasteve, post: 153553"] Mate, I think you lost me here?? No players of SANZAR origin (SA NZ AUS) play for their nation if they sign for a foreign club? So more international rugby only means that players who won't be leaving for test rugby become more valuable to the Euro clubs? So they'd start paying more for foreign talent and less on locals? So you'd see more SANZAR players in Europe, and less Argies and PI's (who are the ones really benefitting from the current environment). Or maybe I miss understood, apologies if I have. Also, neither Samoa nor Tonga can support even one Super Team guys. It's simple maths. Teams need more than just TV revenue. They also need money from attendance and from local sposorship. These two tiny Island nations are AMAZING at creating talented players, but they lack the population and economy to support a team that would cost close to $5million a year, for only 15weeks. Salaries for a current Australian Super Team currently sit around the AUS$4.5million p.a, not counting the massive 3rd party incentives for major players. Add to that value other costs like travel, training facilities, adminstration, coaching and accomadation for away games and you start to realise that while these tiny pacific nations can easily compete on the field, they can't compete off it at this level. [b]Samoa [/b] Population: 214,265 GDP Per Capita: $6,314 [b]Tonga[/b] Population: 102,000 GDP Per Capita: $7,984 Compare this to New Zealand, who are struggling to maintain 5 teams. [b]New Zealand[/b] Population: 4,228,0000 GDP Per Capita: $26,470 Even Fiji might struggle to keep one team up and running. TV revenue increases when the guys paying the bills (NewCorp) get more return for their investment. Samoa and Tonga are not exactly massive consumer markets driven by advertising and pay tv. So why would NewsCorp offer more money for nothing in return? Like I've said (alot) before, I don't think Pacific Islands rugby can become professional unless the Japanese market is exploited. In the world of Pro Rugby, if you want the playing talents of the financially poor Pacific Island nations, then you have to also include the (currently) poor playing talents of the financially rich nation of Japan. Finally, and most importantly, the IRB can't do much at all to influence the Super14. It has nothing to do with them at all. Not to sound negative, but News Corp has more say than the IRB and it is them that yoo'd need to please in order to force any changes. That's why, as unlikely as it may seem, Japan is the key to unlocking the door. After all, we're talking about a thing called Professional Rugby. People seems so hell bent on the Rugby that they neglect the Professional part. [/QUOTE]
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