The Test Team

Discussion in '2017 British & Irish Lions Tour' started by Meh, Jun 4, 2009.

  1. Meh

    Meh Guest

    This will obviously change as the tour goes on...well, it might not, but probably will but....if we were playing SA tomorrow who would you pick based on the 2 matches we've had so far.

    For me so far it is:

    1. Gethin Jenkins
    2. Lee Mears
    3. Euan Murray
    4. Alan Wyn Jones
    5. Paul O'Connell
    6. Tom Croft
    7. David Wallace
    8. Jamie Heaslip
    9. Mike Phillips
    10. Stephen Jones
    11. Rob Kearney
    12. Jamie Roberts
    13. Brian O'Driscoll
    14. Tommy Bowe
    15. Lee Byrne


    you guys?
     
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  3. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    Yep, exactly the same. I wtf'ed at Kearney, but I suppose it's logical, given Halfpence and Fitzgerald haven't had a chance to secure the shirt yet.
     
  4. monkeypigeon

    monkeypigeon Guest

    1. Gethin Jenkins
    2. Lee Mears
    3. Euan Murray
    4. Alan Wyn Jones
    5. Paul O'Connell
    6. Tom Croft/Stephen Ferris (Tom Croft ahead at the moment)
    7. David Wallace/Martyn Wiliams (Wally ahead at the moment)
    8. Jamie Heaslip
    9. Mike Phillips
    10. Danny Cribiani
    11. Money/Fitzgerald/Halfpenny (2 not to play yet but Monye still at the bottom of my list at the moment...I don't care that HP is usually on the other wing)
    12. jonny Wilkinson
    13. Brian O'Driscoll
    14. Tommy Bowe
    15. Lee Byrne

    I edited 10 and 12 after Loggerrhea's post which follows this
     
  5. shazbooger

    shazbooger Guest

    Absolutely bang on Meh, given what we've seen so far, though Murray hasnt been given the game time to justify it. Kearney has played a good bit at 11, and used to keep Fitzgerald out of the shirt for Leinster but I'd still expect Fitzgerald to take the 11 shirt, and I wouldnt rule out the option of playing two #6's, in order to bring Ferris or Powell in on the other flank.

    Oh ..... and Wilkinson is a Lions 12, not a 10. Ye numpty!
     
  6. Meh

    Meh Guest

    It's probably unfair to judge some such as Fitzgerald, Halfpenny and others because well, they've not played yet.

    Fitzgerald may indeed get the 11 shirt.

    I think Murray is definitely first choice from the outside for tighthead but I'd not rule out Vickery.
     
  7. shtove

    shtove Guest

    1. Gethin Jenkins
    2. Lee Mears
    3. Euan Murray
    4. Alan Wyn Jones
    5. Paul O'Connell
    6. Tom Croft
    7. David Wallace
    8. Jamie Heaslip
    9. Mike Phillips
    10. ROG
    11. Monye
    12. Jamie Roberts
    13. Brian O'Driscoll
    14. Tommy Bowe
    15. Lee Byrne

    ROG and Wellies are the same player, with slight variations. Big difference between them: ROG is arrogant, Wellies humble. For a SA test, my money is on arrogant. Plus ROG kicked the hide off SA in 2006.

    Monye has pace and power, good cover tackling, not so good in contact. More worried about Bowe on the opposite wing - for pace and power he's bog standard, but he's clearly the most intelligent player in the squad. Will he make a great 9, maybe 10, in a few years?

    Back row lacks the "get your retaliation in first" element. Any way to fix it? Ferris has the cojones. If not, Lions won't win.

    Anyway, Wales and Ireland players looking good, mostly. And Mears - his lineout throwing was a WORK OF ART.
     
  8. Daylightfire

    Daylightfire Guest

    1. Gethin Jenkins
    2. Lee Mears
    3. Phil Vickery
    4. Alan Wyn Jones
    5. Paul O'Connell
    6. Tom Croft
    7. David Wallace
    8. Jamie Heaslip
    9. Mike Phillips
    10. Stephen Jones
    11. Monye
    12. Jamie Roberts
    13. Brian O'Driscoll
    14. Tommy Bowe
    15. Lee Byrne

    Purely based on what we have actually seen so far, I thought Vickery had a great game on weds as did Steven Jones,,

    I'm sure my opinion will of changed come test time!
     
  9. Bumbadum

    Bumbadum Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Meh @ Jun 4 2009, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Only thing id change is to bring Ferris in to 7. Good shout on Kearney though.
     
  10. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    I agree that Vickery had a good game on Wednesday, to my complete and utter amazement, it took him a whole fifteen minutes to give away a penalty, but he isn't as good as Murray, plain and simple.

    I think Ferris and Murray will all be favourites for the tests team after tomorrow, should they start of course. Fitzgerald, Halfpenny and O'Callaghan can also improve their chances.
     
  11. Hall

    Hall Guest

    15. Byrne
    14. Halfpenny
    13. O'Driscoll
    12. Roberts
    11. Monye
    9. Phillips

    1. Jenkins
    2. Mears
    3. Murray (Vickery's performance did tempt me but Murray is far better)
    4. Hines
    5. O'Connell
    6. Croft
    7. Wallace
    8. Heaslip
     
  12. After the first 2 games byrne.bowe.o'driscoll.roberts.philips.heaslip.jenkins and mears seem to have nailed down a test spot and add to that o'connell
    vickery played well while jones did ok amd murray has only had 20 minutes and did well
    shaw was shaw....... hines and aw jones both played very well and were yet to see any of doc
    ferris and croft's battle over the 6 jersey is one which will go to the wire and one that will be enjoyable to watch as there both very very good players and this one might depent on the game plan
    wallace is ahead of williams at the moment but again depends on gameplan and could go either way
    jones and o'gara is a 50/50 call with jones slightly ahead at the moment
    williams was poor and monye was better but not eye catching.if fitz or hpenny play well then they might force there way in.kearney played well so they may include him here also.

    if the test were in the morning my team would be

    1 jenkins
    2 mears
    3 murray
    4 hines
    5 o'connell
    6 ferris/croft
    7 wallace
    8 heaslip

    9 philips
    10 jones
    11 kearney
    12 roberts
    13 o'driscoll
    14 bowe
    15 byrne
     
  13. shazbooger

    shazbooger Guest

    Right then, just to update after the last match.

    1 Jenkins
    2 Mears
    3 Murray
    4 AW Jones
    5 O'Connell
    6 Ferris
    7 Croft
    8 Heaslip

    9 Philips
    10 Jones
    11 Fitzgerald (only other option is Monye, and Fitzgeralds overall game is far better)
    12 Roberts
    13 O'Driscoll
    14 Bowe
    15 Byrne
     
  14. An Tarbh

    An Tarbh Guest

    I still think you get a better balance with the Irish backrow.
     
  15. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    One thing today's game proved is that you need a proper openside, Wally or Williams are the only options at 7.
     
  16. shazbooger

    shazbooger Guest

    Ahhhh I dont know. Players did get isolated a few times alright but I'm not convinced by either Wallace or Williams.

    An all Irish backrow could be the option though. They work well as a unit and know what roles they are meant to play.
     
  17. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    Irish back row is a clone of the Leinster back row, you lose a little with Ferris/Elsom but they are very similar, and you gain a bit with Wallace/Jennings. The players all play the same roles and I do think it is the most balanced come test time, and I also think it is the most physical. Much better than during Eddie's reign when Wally was our main ball carrier, now he gets to play like an actual openside.
     
  18. glosbigboy

    glosbigboy Guest

    Sheridan
    Mears
    Vickery
    AWJ
    O`Connell
    Ferris
    Heaslip
    Wallace
    Phillips
    Jones
    Monye
    Roberts
    O`Driscoll
    Bowe
    Byrne

    |A team picked on form alone. Thisis what Geech should go with based on the games so far.
     
  19. Bumbadum

    Bumbadum Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (glosbigboy @ Jun 7 2009, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Both have given decent accounts of themselves so far, but Jenkins and Murray are superior in almost every way to those two.
     
  20. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    1. Jenkins
    2. Mears (Sad, innit...)
    3. Murray
    4. POC
    5. Croft
    6. Ferris
    7. Wallace
    8. Heaslip
    9. Philips
    10. Jones
    11. Monye
    12. Roberts
    13. BOD
    14. Bowe
    15. Byrne
     
  21. Whoever is suggesting Euan Murray should play ahead of Phil Vickery needs shooting. Watch a re-run of the Golden Lions game and see how often Vickery went in low and hard at ruck-time. The absence of someone doing that against the Cheetahs is what almost lost us the game. Murray is a powerful scrummager, but that's it. Vickery gives you more. I do not think this is necessarily English bias as the same is true of Sheridan and Jenkins - only in that instance it is the Welshman who gives you more.

    Williams confirmed my suspicions that he's lost the yard of pace that made his size irrelevant. I called it during the 6N but it has sadly been proven on this tour. He was on the end of a very inexperienced line-up of backs, though. This is a Lions tour, not the place for boys.

    I've been unconvinced by O'Connell, too. Were he not captain then he would certainly not be an automatic selection for the test XV.
     
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