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<blockquote data-quote="sanzar" data-source="post: 180709"><p>And An Tarbh also said that the game itself had it's own Gaelic name, nothing to do with the word 'football'. As for the formation of Association football, just because the game was formalised in 1863 does not mean that it didn't exist before then, plus the myth of the formation of Aussie Rules 150 years ago is just that, a bit of spin by AFL to gain legitamacy, it was basically rugby with a few differing laws here and there.</p><p></p><p>If we were to argue that Aussie Rules is older then Association Football then why is it that Aussie Rules is so isolated, they had a world without any sports to colonise....yeah right.... the first game is claimed to have been played 150 years ago, althought, as I mentioned it was rugby with some rules changed....yet Footballs first game? Well, we could probably put that back thousands of years if we had correct sources. The game was not the same as it is today so if we are too say Football has changed to much then we must argue that we can only go back with Aussie Rules until the current rules....which I assue you will be far less then 150 years, as back then they often decided the rules there and then on the pitch.... [/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Like it or not Australian Rules Football did exist formally in 1858 and there are records to prove it. But AFL was very much confined to Melbourne and efforts to internationalise were non-existant. There was no commercial push or incentive to send it around the globe. What differentiated soccer was that the stretch of the British empire brought it everywhere (much like rugby, but rugby's insistance on staying amature and essentially elite seriously stunted it). Also, had AFL not been around this push would most likely have succeeded in Australia too (AFL existed in Sydney too, but was pushed out with the emergance of Rugby League in the early 20th century). </p><p>Furthermore, if you actually bothered to flick back through the history of Football you'll notice that in most of the older forms of football such as "mob football" played in Britain 1000 years ago, the ball was played in hand for much of the time and physical contact was very important. A number of similar games also developed over the years and many of the different forms of football involved handling the ball for long periods of time and physical contact. These sports existed long before Association Football was formed and were called football, though they resemble rugby, gaelic football or AFL more than the almost non-contact foot exclusive soccer.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, even if you were right (and you're not) and association football existed virtually as it is known today 700 years ago, then that still doesn't alter my point that Australians have always known association football as soccer and that it is perfectly legitimate (even Teh Mite pointed out soccer is an official and British word for the sport) that we continue to label it as such in our own country.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="sanzar, post: 180709"] And An Tarbh also said that the game itself had it's own Gaelic name, nothing to do with the word 'football'. As for the formation of Association football, just because the game was formalised in 1863 does not mean that it didn't exist before then, plus the myth of the formation of Aussie Rules 150 years ago is just that, a bit of spin by AFL to gain legitamacy, it was basically rugby with a few differing laws here and there. If we were to argue that Aussie Rules is older then Association Football then why is it that Aussie Rules is so isolated, they had a world without any sports to colonise....yeah right.... the first game is claimed to have been played 150 years ago, althought, as I mentioned it was rugby with some rules changed....yet Footballs first game? Well, we could probably put that back thousands of years if we had correct sources. The game was not the same as it is today so if we are too say Football has changed to much then we must argue that we can only go back with Aussie Rules until the current rules....which I assue you will be far less then 150 years, as back then they often decided the rules there and then on the pitch.... [/b][/quote] Like it or not Australian Rules Football did exist formally in 1858 and there are records to prove it. But AFL was very much confined to Melbourne and efforts to internationalise were non-existant. There was no commercial push or incentive to send it around the globe. What differentiated soccer was that the stretch of the British empire brought it everywhere (much like rugby, but rugby's insistance on staying amature and essentially elite seriously stunted it). Also, had AFL not been around this push would most likely have succeeded in Australia too (AFL existed in Sydney too, but was pushed out with the emergance of Rugby League in the early 20th century). Furthermore, if you actually bothered to flick back through the history of Football you'll notice that in most of the older forms of football such as "mob football" played in Britain 1000 years ago, the ball was played in hand for much of the time and physical contact was very important. A number of similar games also developed over the years and many of the different forms of football involved handling the ball for long periods of time and physical contact. These sports existed long before Association Football was formed and were called football, though they resemble rugby, gaelic football or AFL more than the almost non-contact foot exclusive soccer. Anyway, even if you were right (and you're not) and association football existed virtually as it is known today 700 years ago, then that still doesn't alter my point that Australians have always known association football as soccer and that it is perfectly legitimate (even Teh Mite pointed out soccer is an official and British word for the sport) that we continue to label it as such in our own country. [/QUOTE]
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