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<blockquote data-quote="Prestwick" data-source="post: 182145"><p>Your talking about the same Lamb that went AWOL everytime Tuilagi ran down his channel against Leicster? Or Croft, Lipman etc who were selected against Scotland and simply dissapeared. Rees, one of the best #7 in the NH or so Sky would have us believe, has consistently been outplayed on the international stage by some fairly average packs. Lund, Varndell, Palmer etc. I'm not saying they are poor players, but maybe, just maybe, they arent actually as good as everyone over there thinks.[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>I do see what you mean, although I think the work rate from Croft and Lipman was phenominal. Note the amount of turnover they produced against Scotland which was then wasted by the rest of the team. The problem was that even the very finest performance can be hidden by the sheer turgidness exhibited by the rest of the team. By the same measure, against France Jamie Noon's ineffectiveness at center in attack was masked by his monster tackle and by the general forward effort all around. Anyway, I'm side tracking..</p><p></p><p>..I think what you're looking at is not a question of whether they deserve the hype but rather why can't they <em>consistently</em> perform against every international team instead of just France, Australia & Italy. I could point to BOD going AWOL in major games and I definitely could say that I've seen guys like ROG and POC go walkies in a rather obvious and crap way, I mean, we saw them go collectively AWOL in a big way during the World Cup. However, we also accept that when they do get back on the bandwagon of form, they are <em>the</em> guys to rely on either at club, international or Lions level. </p><p></p><p>In a similar way, we have seen exactly what the likes of Lamb, Allen, Crane, Haskell, etc can do but we find ourselves cursing when some are cast by the wayside by petty disputes between coaches or between club & country and others perform excellently in some games and horribly in others. Consistency is something which not even New Zealand have mastered yet and only the legendary teams of old like the Untouchables or Sir Clive's England have mastered it (and even they were starting to rattle and fall apart towards their respective retirements).</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Prestwick, post: 182145"] Your talking about the same Lamb that went AWOL everytime Tuilagi ran down his channel against Leicster? Or Croft, Lipman etc who were selected against Scotland and simply dissapeared. Rees, one of the best #7 in the NH or so Sky would have us believe, has consistently been outplayed on the international stage by some fairly average packs. Lund, Varndell, Palmer etc. I'm not saying they are poor players, but maybe, just maybe, they arent actually as good as everyone over there thinks.[/b][/quote] I do see what you mean, although I think the work rate from Croft and Lipman was phenominal. Note the amount of turnover they produced against Scotland which was then wasted by the rest of the team. The problem was that even the very finest performance can be hidden by the sheer turgidness exhibited by the rest of the team. By the same measure, against France Jamie Noon's ineffectiveness at center in attack was masked by his monster tackle and by the general forward effort all around. Anyway, I'm side tracking.. ..I think what you're looking at is not a question of whether they deserve the hype but rather why can't they [i]consistently[/i] perform against every international team instead of just France, Australia & Italy. I could point to BOD going AWOL in major games and I definitely could say that I've seen guys like ROG and POC go walkies in a rather obvious and crap way, I mean, we saw them go collectively AWOL in a big way during the World Cup. However, we also accept that when they do get back on the bandwagon of form, they are [i]the[/i] guys to rely on either at club, international or Lions level. In a similar way, we have seen exactly what the likes of Lamb, Allen, Crane, Haskell, etc can do but we find ourselves cursing when some are cast by the wayside by petty disputes between coaches or between club & country and others perform excellently in some games and horribly in others. Consistency is something which not even New Zealand have mastered yet and only the legendary teams of old like the Untouchables or Sir Clive's England have mastered it (and even they were starting to rattle and fall apart towards their respective retirements). [/QUOTE]
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