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[General Melchett]

He's signed loads of executive orders though so he must be productive.

I'm impressed he can pick up those big marker pens with those tiny hands.

 

[dirty harry]

He's done loads I will grant you that but whether what he's done turns out to be productive is too early to say. Have the DOGE cuts reduced the civil service? Yes, was is it done in the most productive way? I would say no given how much real savings it made when you take in redundancy payments and having to rehire staff in critical roles. Will it be productive in the long term? Too early to say.

Have tariffs brought loads of world leaders knocking on the door looking for a trade deal? Yeah absolutely. Have these trade deals been finalised yet? No, they have only been agreed in principle, it takes a lot of people working with other teams of people to work this stuff out which will cost the American government money in time and resources. Will these tariffs benefit America long term? Too early to say.

Yes he has done an absolute huge amount of work but it's absolutely far too early to say if that's been a productive use of everybody's time or not.

Thats a fair point, i think active was probably a better word, with some product, but still a question mark on how much.

 

[dirty harry]

Can you provide any context on those Biden F15 comments please?

It was nothing, a throw away comment about about gun control. If I remember he was talking about AR15s, and the reason for guns being to thwart a tyrannical government etc, and he basically said people couldn't do it without F15s.

It made a bit of a wave, lots of triggered conservatives saying he was waging war on the American population etc... which is obviously all BS.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Are you triggered by a meme?

So are Democrats, CNN, the rest of the media, and the usual suspects on social media, for the 300th time this year.

Seems like its working, for the 300th time this year.

Now if you had responded rationally, and maybe called Trump irresponsible in his social media use, poor taste in the meme, and discussed his rhetoric of being militarised not being helpful to public discourse, id be with you.

You calling it imagery of mass indiscriminate slaughter, is extreme, MAGA calling it a funny movie meme is probably closer to the mark in reality, unless what your saying is he wants to massacre Chicago ites, ans, massive (whatever theyre called)?

Did you react like this when Biden said people would need F15s to fight his government? This is the exact same arguments in was making on Bidens behalf, you cannot take every clumsy sentence, meme, or joke and apply the kind of intent to it you wouldnt for your own side.

Had Biden posted this kind of meme it would have humanised him more in my view.

I WAS calling Trump irresponsible for his social media use BECAUSE it depicts a scene from a movie of indiscriminate destruction and murder that he is then targeting at Chicago so no, you would not be with me like you claim as proven by you immediately adopting the contrarian **** act you always do once again.

Let's see if we can get a straight answer out of you for once, do you think it is acceptable for the PRESIDENT to use such imagery? Yes or no?

 

[dirty harry]

Well Harry has said Biden said you need F15 to take down his government (he didn't say that and Harry is leaving out the context but I'm sure he'll comeback with a good reason as to why they are exactly the same)

He didnt say that?!?! Hahaha

 

[dirty harry]

I WAS calling Trump irresponsible for his social media use BECAUSE it depicts a scene from a movie of indiscriminate destruction and murder that he is then targeting at Chicago so no, you would not be with me like you claim as proven by you immediately adopting the contrarian **** act you always do once again.

Let's see if we can get a straight answer out of you for once, do you think it is acceptable for the PRESIDENT to use such imagery? Yes or no?

Except i was the one making the irresponsible comment, your talking in hysterics, which is exactly the problem.

Theres a big difference to being irresponsible, making a joke meme based on a movie, and being an authoritarian moronic dictator looking to remove the rule of law and murder American citizens en mass.

Also, me criticising Trump, is not the contrarian position of your hyperbole is it?

You just asked me a question, that I already criticised him for above, I'll copy paste it for you to make it clearer:

"Now if you had responded rationally, and maybe called Trump irresponsible in his social media use, poor taste in the meme, and discussed his rhetoric of being militarised not being helpful to public discourse, id be with you."

 

[Welsh Exile]

It was nothing, a throw away comment about about gun control. If I remember he was talking about AR15s, and the reason for guns being to thwart a tyrannical government etc, and he basically said people couldn't do it without F15s.

It made a bit of a wave, lots of triggered conservatives saying he was waging war on the American population etc... which is obviously all BS.

So completely different then. He was saying if you want to use the argument of opposing gun control because you want to oppose a government then you don’t need guns you need F15 and nuclear weapons. He never said “you need F15 to take down my government” that was incredibly dishonest of you to frame it that way

 

[Welsh Exile]

He didnt say that?!?! Hahaha

No he didn’t. Do you want to post the quotes?

 

[dirty harry]

So completely different then. He was saying if you want to use the argument of opposing gun control because you want to oppose a government then you don't need guns you need F15 and nuclear weapons. He never said "you need F15 to take down my government" that was incredibly dishonest of you to frame it that way

1. I didnt quote him, im notnsure why your pretending i did!

2. Not only did I mention in the explanation that "It was nothing, a throw away comment about about gun control, and also mentioned "If I remember he.." which obviously eludes to a memory that isnt 100%

3. He did say people would need F15s, as you well know, I think where your issue lies and why your pantys are in a bunch is because of the word his?

I mean, he used the phrase in the context of Federal government, which he runs 1 branch and shares power in the other 2, if we wanted to be pedantic one could make the argument the president could call the federal government his no?

But then thats not what im doing, I was defending Biden from the stupidity of hysterical nonsense, im not sure why that got to you so much...

 

[Welsh Exile]

1. I didnt quote him, im notnsure why your pretending i did!

2. Not only did I mention in the explanation that "It was nothing, a throw away comment about about gun control, and also mentioned "If I remember he.." which obviously eludes to a memory that isnt 100%

3. He did say people would need F15s, as you well know, I think where your issue lies and why your pantys are in a bunch is because of the word his?

I mean, he used the phrase in the context of Federal government, which he runs 1 branch and shares power in the other 2, if we wanted to be pedantic one could make the argument the president could call the federal government his no?

But then thats not what im doing, I was defending Biden from the stupidity of hysterical nonsense, im not sure why that got to you so much...

Post the quotes. He never said you need F15 to take down HIS government like you said initially. Now you’re moving the goalposts.

 

[dirty harry]

No he didn't. Do you want to post the quotes?

Ok, but I expect an apology:

"How many have heard this phrase, the blood of liberty washes those… gimme a break," President Biden said. "No, I mean it. Seriously. And by the way, if they want to think they want to take on government if we get out of line, which they're talking again about, guess what, they need F-15s. They don't need a rifle."

 

[dirty harry]

Post the quotes. He never said you need F15 to take down HIS government like you said initially. Now you're moving the goalposts.

So it was the word 'his' that got to you hahahaha

So your just ignoring my prefaces, my defence of him in the situation, and hyper focus on one word for a row for literally 0 reason?

Hahaha

Its sunday dude, im cooking Curry, having a whiskey and Cardiff pumped Richmond yesterday, its too nice a weekend to be getting into the weeds

 

[Welsh Exile]

Ok, but I expect an apology:

"How many have heard this phrase, the blood of liberty washes those… gimme a break," President Biden said. "No, I mean it. Seriously. And by the way, if they want to think they want to take on government if we get out of line, which they're talking again about, guess what, they need F-15s. They don't need a rifle."

I expect an apology from you. Where did he say it was about his government?

 

[Welsh Exile]

So it was the word 'his' that got to you hahahaha

So your just ignoring my prefaces, my defence of him in the situation, and hyper focus on one word for a row for literally 0 reason?

Hahaha

Its sunday dude, im cooking Curry, having a whiskey and Cardiff pumped Richmond yesterday, its too nice a weekend to be getting into the weeds

You said

Did you react like this when Biden said people would need F15s to fight government his government”

 

[dirty harry]

I expect an apology from you. Where did he say it was about his government?

Man thats too petty for a sunday afternoon, especially on a topic i was defending Biden from lol

I'll let you ride the high of getting the upper hand on the use of the word 'his' that I never quoted, and prefaced as off the top of my head lol

 

[dirty harry]

Deleted, sounded more antagonistic than it was meant hahah

 

[Welsh Exile]

Why do you only have 1 quotation mark, and I certainly didnt say "government his government"

Why are you misquoting me?

Also punctuation wouldnt hurt and make it easier to read and the line spacing is a mess and the differing letter sizes is confusing and your a poopy face

So thats where we are now...

I was emphasising the word his in your initial quote but let me post your INITIAL comment for you to show how dishonest you were being:

“Did you react like this when Biden said people would need F15s to fight his government?”

 

[Welsh Exile]

Man thats too petty for a sunday afternoon, especially on a topic i was defending Biden from lol

I'll let you ride the high of getting the upper hand on the use of the word 'his' that I never quoted, and prefaced as off the top of my head lol

It’s not petty it’s being accurate. You implied Biden said that you need F15s to take down his government. You try to frame it as it’s essentially the same thing as the Trump apocalypse now meme. It’s not.

Now, if Biden had said something like “good one guys, if you ever want to get rid of me then you’re going to need F15s to get rid of me then I would oribaoynsay, yeah, that’s a pretty unhinged comment. If he is talking in an abstract sense and the context of the conversation is gun control that puts a whole different light on it. What you tried to do is paint it as the same thing until I asked you to provide the context and then the goalposts were moved to a “throwaway comment”

 

[dirty harry]

I was emphasising the word his in your initial quote but let me post your INITIAL comment for you to show how dishonest you were being:

"Did you react like this when Biden said people would need F15s to fight his government?"

But thats not honest is it, you deleted the context of the very next point, and the following after you asked for further context!

"It was nothing, a throw away comment about about gun control. If I remember he was talking about AR15s, and the reason for guns being to thwart a tyrannical government etc, and he basically said people couldn't do it without F15s.

It made a bit of a wave, lots of triggered conservatives saying he was waging war on the American population etc... which is obviously all BS"

So, you read the initial comment, and we're hurt by the word 'his' and asked for further context, where I never used the word his again, defended it as a throw away comment, and called the hysteria against him as BS, and after reading that explanation you decide you want a row.

Your partly right, there is a lack of honesty here, but it isnt from my side, im on Bidens side of the whole BS furore.

 

[Welsh Exile]

But thats not honest is it, you deleted the context of the very next point, and the following after you asked for further context!

"It was nothing, a throw away comment about about gun control. If I remember he was talking about AR15s, and the reason for guns being to thwart a tyrannical government etc, and he basically said people couldn't do it without F15s.

It made a bit of a wave, lots of triggered conservatives saying he was waging war on the American population etc... which is obviously all BS"

So, you read the initial comment, and we're hurt by the word 'his' and asked for further context, where I never used the word his again, defended it as a throw away comment, and called the hysteria against him as BS, and after reading that explanation you decide you want a row.

Your partly right, there is a lack of honesty here, but it isnt from my side, im on Bidens side of the whole BS furore.

That’s what you said AFTER I called you up on it. Funny how you didn’t provide the context in your initial post isn’t it. Thought you could get away with framing Bidens F15 comment as he was referring to his government.

Do you accept then that they are totally different things?