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I think that highlights my point about Democrat ramping things up last decade.

The trend of incidents from the far left on the rise, far right on the decline.
 
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So the perpetrators and victims of ideologically motivated homicide are the far right? Does this mean either the far right are killing their own or the far right kill more frequently but the far left kill in greater numbers when they do?
 
You know what you are right, it was Whych Tyler's comment in which the context of the discussion was around, and i atrributed it to you directly, so i apologise for that element:

I think it's more important than ever to be a visible ally to the oppressed.
Especially if you're from the demographic favoured by the oppressors.


But my point isnt a strawman, your fearing a caricatures of what you think are thousands of neo nazis (are we talking about the recent protests that had what a 20 to 30 NSN members at), and extreme versions of right leaning people in the same way. The paranoia you have about being cornered for wearing a rainbow lanyard isnt rational, the same way im not attacking you.

I genuinely think, and these plums on this thread will attest, bexause ive been banging on about it for months, that you've been conditioned into dehumanising those you deem as opposition, and feel they dehumanise you the same way, based on an extremist minority of the content you consume. Your fear can easily be quelled with some deep breathes, and getting some experience with very good people who hold right leaning, or even pro Trump views.

If you had entered into my thought experiment youd have understood, there are Trump supporters, and right leaning people who feel the same irrational and radicalised views as you right now, and they are as manipulated into this polarisation, as a lot of people.

The sad part is this crumbling of social cohesion seems to be merely a strategy to win votes / make money by any means necesary, and part of me thinks capitalism is part of the problem.
Seriously though, how is it not rational when people cop abuse all the time, I've witness and heard first had stories from friends about being cornered or called out in some way for showing overt lgbtqi support….and that was before such an inflammatory event

I'm stoked you and you're friends are so comfortable and feel so safe, that's the way it should be…but dismissing people that don't have that as unhinged/irrational or any of the other terms you've used is just seems unnecessary
 
So the perpetrators and victims of ideologically motivated homicide are the far right? Does this mean either the far right are killing their own or the far right kill more frequently but the far left kill in greater numbers when they do?
The line colour corresponds to the perpetrator - checking the alignment of the victims would be both difficult and not-helpful.
Top graph is the number of incidents, bottom is the number of victims - I'd need to check the document to see if "victims" are dead, hospitalised, or wounded.

ETA: Sorry, being dense - it's homicides, so by definition the victims are dead
 
So the perpetrators and victims of ideologically motivated homicide are the far right? Does this mean either the far right are killing their own or the far right kill more frequently but the far left kill in greater numbers when they do?

The problem with these graphs, especially for homicide victim count, is that the numbers are small, the definition of far right or left, or a specific large incident can totally sway the numbers.

I went to chatgpt to find out why there was a spike in 2017, it said there were 34 attempted homicides by far right in 2017. When I pushed it for far left numbers, it said there were 0 homicides in 2017 hahahaha

Just trying to figure out why the jump in numbers Trumps first year lol
 
So the perpetrators and victims of ideologically motivated homicide are the far right? Does this mean either the far right are killing their own or the far right kill more frequently but the far left kill in greater numbers when they do?
Interestingly the article says the far right should be prioritised as a concern. That far right homicides have been consistently higher than the left.
 
You know what you are right, it was Whych Tyler's comment in which the context of the discussion was around, and i atrributed it to you directly, so i apologise for that element:

I think it's more important than ever to be a visible ally to the oppressed.
Especially if you're from the demographic favoured by the oppressors.


But my point isnt a strawman, your fearing a caricatures of what you think are thousands of neo nazis (are we talking about the recent protests that had what a 20 to 30 NSN members at), and extreme versions of right leaning people in the same way. The paranoia you have about being cornered for wearing a rainbow lanyard isnt rational, the same way im not attacking you.

I genuinely think, and these plums on this thread will attest, bexause ive been banging on about it for months, that you've been conditioned into dehumanising those you deem as opposition, and feel they dehumanise you the same way, based on an extremist minority of the content you consume. Your fear can easily be quelled with some deep breathes, and getting some experience with very good people who hold right leaning, or even pro Trump views.

If you had entered into my thought experiment youd have understood, there are Trump supporters, and right leaning people who feel the same irrational and radicalised views as you right now, and they are as manipulated into this polarisation, as a lot of people.

The sad part is this crumbling of social cohesion seems to be merely a strategy to win votes / make money by any means necesary, and part of me thinks capitalism is part of the problem.
So the best way to stop dehumanising people is to mock them?
 
Interestingly the article says the far right should be prioritised as a concern. That far right homicides have been consistently higher than the left.

Should that be a surprise though?

Working with PREVENT, I think very few of cases involved the far left. The far right and Islam are the largest concerns. Although I hadn't seen a far left vase personally until a few years ago, it seems to be on the rise. I wouldnt have any statistics but if I remember correctly an officer told me it was about 70/20/5 with the other 5% being a mix of climate and animal rights activism, specific incident activism (Palestine Action maybe) and the northern Ireland.

Disclaimer, convo pre covid.
 
Seriously though, how is it not rational when people cop abuse all the time, I've witness and heard first had stories from friends about being cornered or called out in some way for showing overt lgbtqi support….and that was before such an inflammatory event

I'm stoked you and you're friends are so comfortable and feel so safe, that's the way it should be…but dismissing people that don't have that as unhinged/irrational or any of the other terms you've used is just seems unnecessary

Its not rational. Ill give you a specific example that I work with daily.

Knife crime. We are seeing more and more boys especially, carrying bladed weapons. Every study and statistics shows that carrying a knife puts you at a much higher rate of being stabbed, either through accidental injury, someone using that knife against you, or just escelating situations. The other stat is that 65% of young men who are care experienced get criminalised. So if you are in the system, known by police, and you decide to carry a blade (i shouldn't say knife, a sharp stick can be a criminal case) you are 9 times more likely to get arrested for it.

There is no rationality behind carrying a knife, except out of unfounded fear, installed in them by a manipulative and coercive power (usual gang related).

There are 3 options when these boys leave the house with a knife:

Use the knife to stab someone, get caught and imprisoned.

Brandish the knife in an escalation and get stabbed.

Not show or use the knife at all.

There is no positive outcome, no defencive life saving use of a knife, you cannot claim self defence when you pre emptively leave the house with the knife.

If the best outcome is not to use it, or show it, or even remember its up your sleeve or down your pants leg, then leave it in the house.

Now the boys continually carry despite the stats, despite them knowing boys who have been sent down, and despite knowing boys who have been stabbed, so why do they do it? They've been conditioned to be scared of the most extreme thing possible, just like you.

I won't give up telling them the consequences, and appease their lived experience, because it won't help them, why would I do that for you, knowing this fear won't improve your life?

Currently, your are not a gang member, but you are being told daily that you are part of a team, and the opposing team is out to get you, because they hate your team, they want to eradicate your team, and your team is the just, the moral, and the one at threat, they are evil, they have no morality, they just hate for the sake of it, they started this issue, you didnt, all you want to do is live, and be free, they want to oppress and be violent against you, you should be scared of them...

Thats also what the algorithm tells straight white right wing men, they are the true victims, they are ostracised in society, feminism is after their livelihoods, immigrants are taking their country, LGBTQ is endangering their daughters, they are failing at relationships, not having as much children or sex as their parents and grandparents, the government want their money and to take their cars and speech, they are failing jn education, criminalised more than anyone else.. blah blah blah.

This isnt real life, this isnt how anyone should want to live, victimhood isnt good for anyone, we should all be unified against the one true threat...

the answer to the Fermi paradox.
 
Definitely a stunt and whilst the overarching representation of what Kirk's assassination represents, he isn't the first political assassination even this year and, let's be blunt, wasn't exactly noteworthy for his good deeds. He was an intentionally divisive individual who went out of his way to have conflicts. It hardly merits a moment of silence in the EU parliament.

FFS...

The floods of videos of MEPs observing a minutes silence for George Floyd are everywhere lol.
 
Me too. It's an appalling situation that will be exploited to a horrific degree.

But I still don't care that he in particular is dead given how much hate he has spread by victimising every minority you can think of plus half of the entire human race (women) for clicks and money.
I wonder how much propaganda you have to consume to believe this stuff.
 
Kirk is now a martyr. I've never seen the right, and I mean normal center R
Right, come together around this.

This is spreading like wildfire around the country. The amount of whirling change that will happen in the next few years will shock outsiders.
 
I accidentally came across the video of the killing on social media and God I wish I hadn't seen it. It's horrific. I've seen graphic videos like that before but this one really disturbed me.

RIP Charlie.
 
I accidentally came across the video of the killing on social media and God I wish I hadn't seen it. It's horrific. I've seen graphic videos like that before but this one really disturbed me.

RIP Charlie.
I almost threw up.

My buddy is an orthopedic surgeon and has seen some gnarly stuff in his career. He said that was about as bad as it gets.

According to him, the bullet severed his spinal cord, which is why his arms immediately surge upwards and he falls over. Essentially, he was dead right then even if he still had a pulse.
 
Well the "FFS" response to my comment would imply for some reason you disagreed, likely usual bias, with the 2nd part being the reason you thought so.

The FFS was for the MEP nothing to do with your comment. Although now you mention it I see where your coming from.

Your comment is in line with mine previous, its a stunt.
 
I almost threw up.

My buddy is an orthopedic surgeon and has seen some gnarly stuff in his career. He said that was about as bad as it gets.

According to him, the bullet severed his spinal cord, which is why his arms immediately surge upwards and he falls over. Essentially, he was dead right then even if he still had a pulse.
I thought the same (not that I'm a dr) he looked like he died almost instantly, or died before he even realised he was shot. Which is some comfort at least, a very small one for the family.
 

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