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[Ragey Erasmus]

This might be a decent microcosm of this entire issue in one video...

Dave Rubin ambushes Cenk Uyger by using his demonising ***les against Charlie Kirk against him, a time when he celebrated an antifa attack on him, and then goes on to use Cenks ***les calling Trump a Nazi...

Cenk Uyger reacts by telling him to shut up, calling him disgusting, and a monster...

Now in boths defence, Rubin must be emotionally charged, and Cenk must have heard Rubin read these ***les and see his career flash before his eyes, but both looked like a pair of arseholes, and despite Cenk responding exactly how Rubin intended, I dont think he proved what he was aiming to!

Does anyone on the left actually like or listen to Cenk? I thought he was fairly universally despised.

 

[dirty harry]

Does anyone on the left actually like or listen to Cenk? I thought he was fairly universally despised.

Im certainly not a fan, but I think TYT gets like hundreds of millions of views per month, id say hes relevant politically.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Im certainly not a fan, but I think TYT gets like hundreds of millions of views per month, id say hes relevant politically.

He's relevant politically but again I'd go back to the distinction between them and presidents/elected officials.

I can't ever really recall, and perhaps you can show me a few examples, of Trump ever trying to cool things down when "his side" have done bad things but will obviously go crazy when the other side do. Meanwhile, like we've seen with Kirk, we've seen Newsom and Sanders saying this is bad. I'm sure Biden would if he was still in the mix as well. Just seems to be a bit of double standards going on but maybe that's my bias.

 

[dirty harry]

He's relevant politically but again I'd go back to the distinction between them and presidents/elected officials.

I can't ever really recall, and perhaps you can show me a few examples, of Trump ever trying to cool things down when "his side" have done bad things but will obviously go crazy when the other side do. Meanwhile, like we've seen with Kirk, we've seen Newsom and Sanders saying this is bad. I'm sure Biden would if he was still in the mix as well. Just seems to be a bit of double standards going on but maybe that's my bias.

Did you just announce Bidens death hahahaha

I think this is fairly biased, but I get why. I think Trumps initial reaction was OK when it came to the Minessota murders and manhunt.

"I have been briefed on the terrible shooting that took place in Minnesota, which appears to be a targeted attack against state lawmakers. … Such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America."

There were a lot of Republicans saying a lot of similar things that Democrats say here.

His reaction to RBG was actually really sweet, he was told by a reporter on the campaign trail, and said some nice words, and then released a statement and called her a 'titan of the law' i think.

There are some good and bad examples from either side to be fair, one egregious example was from Waters i think, using Herman Cains death of COVID to attack the Republicans stance on masks, while being caught out not wearing a mask herself lol.

I know these examples arent exactly the same, but there isnt a like for like.

I keep hearing MAGA compare the Floyd riots to Republicans not rioting over Kirk, and making the distinction that Democrats are violent and Republicans are restrained, and I get the comparison in outcry, but its just not a fair example, I dont think anyone really cared about George Floyd, he was just the match that lit the tinder box, after lock downs, utilisation of BLM, and frustrations around race. Id say the Democrats utilised that movement, not instigated it (well not the current ones anyway).

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Did you just announce Bidens death hahahaha

I think this is fairly biased, but I get why. I think Trumps initial reaction was OK when it came to the Minessota murders and manhunt.

"I have been briefed on the terrible shooting that took place in Minnesota, which appears to be a targeted attack against state lawmakers. … Such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America."

There were a lot of Republicans saying a lot of similar things that Democrats say here.

His reaction to RBG was actually really sweet, he was told by a reporter on the campaign trail, and said some nice words, and then released a statement and called her a '***an of the law' i think.

There are some good and bad examples from either side to be fair, one egregious example was from Waters i think, using Herman Cains death of COVID to attack the Republicans stance on masks, while being caught out not wearing a mask herself lol.

I know these examples arent exactly the same, but there isnt a like for like.

I keep hearing MAGA compare the Floyd riots to Republicans not rioting over Kirk, and making the distinction that Democrats are violent and Republicans are restrained, and I get the comparison in outcry, but its just not a fair example, I dont think anyone really cared about George Floyd, he was just the match that lit the tinder box, after lock downs, utilisation of BLM, and frustrations around race. Id say the Democrats utilised that movement, not instigated it (well not the current ones anyway).

Some of the stuff Waters comes out with on Fox... I'm amazed he's still got the job. The guy is just awful, both in terms of his views and how he conducts himself, constantly shouting over and mocking everyone else.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Did you just announce Bidens death hahahaha

I think this is fairly biased, but I get why. I think Trumps initial reaction was OK when it came to the Minessota murders and manhunt.

"I have been briefed on the terrible shooting that took place in Minnesota, which appears to be a targeted attack against state lawmakers. … Such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America."

There were a lot of Republicans saying a lot of similar things that Democrats say here.

His reaction to RBG was actually really sweet, he was told by a reporter on the campaign trail, and said some nice words, and then released a statement and called her a '***an of the law' i think.

There are some good and bad examples from either side to be fair, one egregious example was from Waters i think, using Herman Cains death of COVID to attack the Republicans stance on masks, while being caught out not wearing a mask herself lol.

I know these examples arent exactly the same, but there isnt a like for like.

I keep hearing MAGA compare the Floyd riots to Republicans not rioting over Kirk, and making the distinction that Democrats are violent and Republicans are restrained, and I get the comparison in outcry, but its just not a fair example, I dont think anyone really cared about George Floyd, he was just the match that lit the tinder box, after lock downs, utilisation of BLM, and frustrations around race. Id say the Democrats utilised that movement, not instigated it (well not the current ones anyway).

Biden will outlive us all.

I just don’t think being chill and asking for calm is in his DNA to be honest but maybe you’re right and I’m just biased. We at least agree he’s not handling this Kirk thing very well.

 

[dirty harry]

Some of the stuff Waters comes out with on Fox... I'm amazed he's still got the job. The guy is just awful, both in terms of his views and how he conducts himself, constantly shouting over and mocking everyone else.

Is that Jesse? I was talking about Maxine, but to be honest that description fits the pair of them haha

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Is that Jesse? I was talking about Maxine, but to be honest that description fits the pair of them haha

Oh right yeah I was on about Jesse. Just realised he's Watters rather than Waters. There was tons of hypocrisy when it came to Covid and masks.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Review revealing 'shame' among troops deployed to cities accidentally sent to WaPo

An internal review from the National Guard on the occupation of cities was mistakenly sent to the Washington Post and it reveals dismay among both the public and the deployed soldiers who admitted feeling “shame” over what they are being forced to do by Donald Trump.According to a Wednesday...

www.rawstory.com

A report from the national guard that was intended to be sent to the administration was accidently (supposedly) sent to the Washington Post instead. In summary, in contradicts the Whitehouse view of the national guard deployment and indicates a growing sense of unease and demoralization among the deployed troops who feel it is not a correct use of the guard.

 

[Ddanno]

Review revealing 'shame' among troops deployed to cities accidentally sent to WaPo

An internal review from the National Guard on the occupation of cities was mistakenly sent to the Washington Post and it reveals dismay among both the public and the deployed soldiers who admitted feeling “shame” over what they are being forced to do by Donald Trump.According to a Wednesday...

www.rawstory.com

A report from the national guard that was intended to be sent to the administration was accidently (supposedly) sent to the Washington Post instead. In summary, in contradicts the Whitehouse view of the national guard deployment and indicates a growing sense of unease and demoralization among the deployed troops who feel it is not a correct use of the guard.

Unsurprising. It's pure authoritarianism and I'd imagine a fair number of the Guard sign up out of a sense of duty to their country, not duty to a half dead cunting liar.

 

[General Melchett]

He's relevant politically but again I'd go back to the distinction between them and presidents/elected officials.

I can't ever really recall, and perhaps you can show me a few examples, of Trump ever trying to cool things down when "his side" have done bad things but will obviously go crazy when the other side do. Meanwhile, like we've seen with Kirk, we've seen Newsom and Sanders saying this is bad. I'm sure Biden would if he was still in the mix as well. Just seems to be a bit of double standards going on but maybe that's my bias.

Yup, it's important to remember that influencers and other people on the sidelines have zero mandate in a democracy. Zero. In the same way people compare opinion polls to what happens at the ballot box. It's a no contest.

 

[dirty harry]

Yup, it's important to remember that influencers and other people on the sidelines have zero mandate in a democracy. Zero. In the same way people compare opinion polls to what happens at the ballot box. It's a no contest.

0 mandate, but arguably a bigger influence.

Who do you believe holds more power in public discourse, Hassan Piker or Valeri Foushee?

Piker has called for the death of politicians, and of America, shown numerous pro Hamas and pro Houthi views.

Infact you could argue someone like Joe Rogan holds more sway than major politicians, I dont think anyone outside of Trump would go toe to toe, Harris certainly was harmed for not attending his podcast, Harris campaign was rocked by being outed by Kai Cenat lol.

Influencers are a large part of the political culture, plliticans 100% use them (Democrats flew 200 of them in for the DNC free weekender).

 

[General Melchett]

0 mandate, but arguably a bigger influence.

Who do you believe holds more power in public discourse, Hassan Piker or Valeri Foushee?

Piker has called for the death of politicians, and of America, shown numerous pro Hamas and pro Houthi views.

Infact you could argue someone like Joe Rogan holds more sway than major politicians, I dont think anyone outside of Trump would go toe to toe, Harris certainly was harmed for not attending his podcast, Harris campaign was rocked by being outed by Kai Cenat lol.

Influencers are a large part of the political culture, plliticans 100% use them (Democrats flew 200 of them in for the DNC free weekender).

Didn't say they weren't influential. Political culture is different to democracy. Clicks and subs ain't votes and influencers don't have to make and deliver on election promises.

 

[Welsh Exile]

0 mandate, but arguably a bigger influence.

Who do you believe holds more power in public discourse, Hassan Piker or Valeri Foushee?

Piker has called for the death of politicians, and of America, shown numerous pro Hamas and pro Houthi views.

Infact you could argue someone like Joe Rogan holds more sway than major politicians, I dont think anyone outside of Trump would go toe to toe, Harris certainly was harmed for not attending his podcast, Harris campaign was rocked by being outed by Kai Cenat lol.

Influencers are a large part of the political culture, plliticans 100% use them (Democrats flew 200 of them in for the DNC free weekender).

Who do you think could cool down the temp more now, Trump or Rogan?

 

[Welsh Exile]

0 mandate, but arguably a bigger influence.

Who do you believe holds more power in public discourse, Hassan Piker or Valeri Foushee?

Piker has called for the death of politicians, and of America, shown numerous pro Hamas and pro Houthi views.

Infact you could argue someone like Joe Rogan holds more sway than major politicians, I dont think anyone outside of Trump would go toe to toe, Harris certainly was harmed for not attending his podcast, Harris campaign was rocked by being outed by Kai Cenat lol.

Influencers are a large part of the political culture, plliticans 100% use them (Democrats flew 200 of them in for the DNC free weekender).

I don't know much about Hasan Piker but can you show me some clips/quotes of him calling for the death of politicians. The little I know about him it wouldn't surprise me if he did so not doubting you just curious really. I know he apparently said America deserved 9/11 or something along those lines.

 

[Which Tyler]

Trump’s retreat from Nato was priced in. But his humiliation of Qatar and India spells total chaos | Nesrine Malik

Allies indulged the US president on the basis they wouldn’t be bombed or suffer economic damage. So much for that idea, says Guardian columnist Nesrine Malik

www.theguardian.com

 

[Welsh Exile]

Mail in / early voting essentially. Massive turnout favoured Democrats, made Biden the most popular president of all time, and that number will probably remain for a few more cycles yet...

Still amazes me 81 million people lol. Ifni remember correctly, it was the highest turnout US election ever? They usually average 56% turnout and 85% registered voter turnout...

2020 saw 66% turnout and 95% registered voter turnout.

Numbers off the top of my head, dont quote me. My point is, some democrat counties saw a 103% voter turnout, some cemeteries even managed a high turnout, and counters didnt block the windows well enough

When your response to the question, why did Trump lose in 2020? is "mail in voting", can you clarify that more? Why did more people turn out to vote for Biden, why was he more popular than Trump that year? What were the reasons. That's what I'm asking.

 

[Which Tyler]

When your response to the question, why did Trump lose in 2020? is "mail in voting", can you clarify that more? Why did more people turn out to vote for Biden, why was he more popular than Trump that year? What were the reasons. That's what I'm asking.

Do you need to ask? He's repeating the oft-disproven kool-aid lies, stuff like cemeteries voting, districts with 110% voting etc.
There is literally no reasoning with those arguments, as facts and evidence simply don't make a dent.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Do you need to ask? He's repeating the oft-disprove kool-aid lies, stuff like cemeteries voting, districts with 110% voting etc.
There is literally no reasoning with those arguments, as facts and evidence simply don't make a dent.

95% registered voter turnout as well. Can’t seem to verify that claim either.

I’m sure Harry has said at one point that he doesn’t believe the 2020 election was rigged so just curious why he thought Trump lost that one.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Because Harry's a disingenuous tosser.

The thing that strikes me, is that it's not like I'm asking some deep question or anything. It's not like the question "why do you think Trump lost in 2020?" Is at odds with his view or anything, well, not really. I don't know why he can't just say Covid or some other reason. I know he said Trump polled well on covid (though there's data to suggest this is not the case) but I even put in my original post that trumps handling of it was bad or the perception of it was bad so gave him an out where he could say "look, clearly Covid was a monumental thing and even though Trump handled it well he got crucified in the press and that led lots of people to vote for Biden" it's not hard and it's not even giving any credit to the Dems or taking anything away from Trump. His mail in voter response was just weird in my opinion. Well, weird for someone who says he doesn't like Trump.