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[Welsh Exile]

Tomorrow

I don't see any progress coming from it. Trump is still trying to force Ukraine to capitulate, this time by unilaterally promising Russia "access to Ukraine's rare earth metals".

Agreed, I won’t be holding my breath.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Tomorrow I believe. I think the agenda is:

1. Sell out Ukraine and Europe
2. Get planning permission signed off for Trump towers in Crimea, Moscow and the Donbas.
3. More self promotion for the Nobel peace prize
4. AoB

He’ll have a dig at Biden as well saying it was all his fault and this never would’ve happened if he was in charge.

 

[General Melchett]

He'll have a dig at Biden as well saying it was all his fault and this never would've happened if he was in charge.

He'll call it the one big beautiful ceasefire

 

[Welsh Exile]

He'll call it the one big beautiful ceasefire

I bet he can’t spell ceasefire.

 

[Ddanno]

I bet he can't spell ceasefire.

covfefefire

 

[Welsh Exile]

Over a million Russians dead I heard. 250 thousand since mid 2025. Mad.

 

[McTallshort]

Over a million Russians dead I heard. 250 thousand since mid 2025. Mad.

Over a million casualties. That's about 300k dead which is still pretty grim

 

[Welsh Exile]

Over a million casualties. That's about 300k dead which is still pretty grim

Ahhh my mistake. Yeah, still pretty bad.

 

[ncurd]

He'll call it the one big beautiful ceasefire

I be the ceasefire lasts until Putin leaves the tarmac in Alaska

 

[General Melchett]

I be the ceasefire lasts until Putin leaves the tarmac in Alaska

The one big beautiful surrender is what the history books will record it as.

 

[Which Tyler]

The one big beautiful surrender is what the history books will record it as.

Well, they probably won't - because Trump isn't the president of Ukraine, and doesn't get to choose what terms Ukraine accepts

 

[Saintjay]

Ultimately they are going to have to agree something one day.

Otherwise it's the meat grinder of perpetual war. Some thing that Russia is better equiped/prepared for. I also think the appetite on providing money and assistance from Europe will eventually wear down especially if the US did halt all support.

Equaly I can't see it going back to pre-war borders. What people think is a reasonable solution and what an acceptable solution looks like i don't know. Or what Ukraine would be willing to accept.

 

[Which Tyler]

Or what Ukraine would be willing to accept.

For that, I think they'd accept frozen borders wherever they are at the point in time it's agreed.
But they'd NEED assurances that they can believe, that it wouldn't just start up again in 5-10 years time.
Which means that they'd need promises from USA (or possibly European NATO) of boots on the ground if it did restart. And for that promise to be believable and binding.
Which pretty much means a US president who isn't Donald Trump.

 

[General Melchett]

Well, they probably won't - because Trump isn't the president of Ukraine, and doesn't get to choose what terms Ukraine accepts

Unfortunately the President of Ukraine is heavily dependent on support from allies including the US and isn't in a position to dictate terms to Russia or the US. That is an unfortunate reality.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Ultimately they are going to have to agree something one day.

Otherwise it's the meat grinder of perpetual war. Some thing that Russia is better equiped/prepared for. I also think the appetite on providing money and assistance from Europe will eventually wear down especially if the US did halt all support.

Equaly I can't see it going back to pre-war borders. What people think is a reasonable solution and what an acceptable solution looks like i don't know. Or what Ukraine would be willing to accept.

You’ve got to think if this went on for another 5 years or so that the internal pressure on Putin would get to the point where someone throws him out a window.

 

[Which Tyler]

Unfortunately the President of Ukraine is heavily dependent on support from allies including the US and isn't in a position to dictate terms to Russia or the US. That is an unfortunate reality.

No, but he's still (for now) got the support or European allies; and doesn't have to just accept whatever **** is shovelled his way - as shown by his refusing to accept the **** Trump previously tried to shovel his way.

 

[McTallshort]

No, but he's still (for now) got the support or European allies; and doesn't have to just accept whatever **** is shovelled his way - as shown by his refusing to accept the **** Trump previously tried to shovel his way.

Without US intelligence the games up and in a recent survey 70% of Ukrainians want a negotiated peace now so Zelenskys hands are tied if America puts pressure on him to accept a deal when it comes to territory.

Where the Ukrainians must not back down is in terms of demilitarisation. Putin wants an easy to control, corrupt failed Ukraine with no means to defend itself, like Belarus. This must not be allowed to happen if Ukraine is to keep it's sovereignty.

 

[dirty harry]

You've got to think if this went on for another 5 years or so that the internal pressure on Putin would get to the point where someone throws him out a window.

I'd think Zelensky would be at risk of similar at a similar rate.

You can only globe hop promoting Europe go directly to war with Rhssia on your behalf for so long...

The will for war in Ukraine has dropped, he will for funding Ukraine is waning...

At this point its negotiate a d deal or escelate hostilities. Putin and Trump are finally aligned that they can both come out of his looking good.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Without US intelligence the games up and in a recent survey 70% of Ukrainians want a negotiated peace now so Zelenskys hands are tied if America puts pressure on him to accept a deal when it comes to territory.

Where the Ukrainians must not back down is in terms of demilitarisation. Putin wants an easy to control, corrupt failed Ukraine with no means to defend itself, like Belarus. This must not be allowed to happen if Ukraine is to keep it's sovereignty.

This is where the general feebleness of Europe on the world stage is really coming home to roost. Just like the cold war, Europe is being sidelined.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I'd think Zelensky would be at risk of similar at a similar rate.

You can only globe hop promoting Europe go directly to war with Rhssia on your behalf for so long...

The will for war in Ukraine has dropped, he will for funding Ukraine is waning...

At this point its negotiate a d deal or escelate hostilities. Putin and Trump are finally aligned that they can both come out of his looking good.

Has he been asking people to go directly to war with Russia on their behalf or has he just been asking for support?

You’re probably right about risk being similar with Zelenskyy and if it’s true that 70% of Ukrainians want an end we’ll likely see one within the next year but who knows.