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[dirty harry]

I was literally reacting to a post where someone is out there saying saying the war had started, you know how a "normal person" reacts to that (aren't you the one saying we shouldn't be singling out people with extreme labels?)…."I think you'll be alright mate, these people are probably just a vocal minority"

I didn't say trump or his supporters are nazis…never suggested it, I was talking about a separate issue in Aussie where self proclaimed nazis are matching in the street

Take a second, and just re read what you just posted in relation to my comment, that you are consuming extremist content, and getting scared by it...

 

[McTallshort]

It is an absolutely hilariously unhinged post...

The idea your going to be run down, by mobs of oppressors for wearing a rainbow lanyards lol

I was at an LGBTQ event last night, took a couple of trans young people. You know how they reacted to this news?

Did you hear that Trump guy got killed last night, yes, oh is that a prawn sandwich its been forever...

Now thats how a rationale sane person reacts, they dont cower at home looking at their rainbow lanyard and wonder what harm might come hahahaha

You've been radicalised, most likely by the content you consume, into thinking there is good and evil, white vs non white, men vs women, straights vs lgbtq...

Stop consuming algorithm designed shock and rage bait and thinking thats the standard held view, its the extreme view, and when you consider the extreme view and become radicalised, you dehumanise who you see as the others, I mean do you honestly believe Trump and right wingers are nazis?

If I did, if i truly believed there were nazis among us, I couldn't not act! Id have to, id have a duty to, they would deserve it... dont you agree?

And a another addition to the "what Harry didn't do" list

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Take a second, and just re read what you just posted in relation to my comment, that you are consuming extremist content, and getting scared by it...

Yeah, that's what a forum is…people post things, thoughts etc and then other people discuss it

And you realise just because it "extreme" doesn't mean these people don't exist

It wasn't the first similar thing is seen reported and so yes…it occurs to me that there are even more angry people out there after this

**** me you can't even express a passing thought without being attacked

Literally, why be a jerk, I hadn't said anything negative about you or trump or "the right" literally just a thought about thes kinds of angry people out there

Why not just go "they're all talk, it's just on line hot air, you'll be right"

And you are ignorant if you don’t think there are people out there that still attack lgbtqi people and that they might feel more empowered

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Thats right, im the issue, the calm reasonable person looking at this through sensible lenses...

Not the ones talking WWIIII, nazis roaming the streets, trans people at risk of oppressors hunting them down for liking colours, celebrating death, sharing Alex Jones conspiracies hahahahaha

The guy who comes out swinging against everyone and says everyone is radical except them...

 

[dirty harry]

Yeah, that's what a forum is…people post things, thoughts etc and then other people discuss it

It wasn't the first similar thing is seen reported and so yes…it occurs to me that there are even more angry people out there after this

**** me you can't even express a passing thought without being attacked

Literally, why be a jerk, I hadn't said anything negative about you or trump or "the right" literally just a thought about thes kinds of angry people out there

Wait, now you think im attacking you?

Im trying to explain to you the internet is not real life, rage bait is not consensus, your scared of mobs of straight white men hunting you down because of a rainbow lanyard... Just take a breath and think about that, think about how wildly unhinged that idea is!!!

Lets play a thought experiment, imagine you were a MAGA supporters, not the caricature of them you have in your head, just you, as you are now, but you enjoy Trumps policies. You liked Kirk, enjoyed his views, and saw the news of his murder (with 0 context or knowledge of the situation).

How are you feeling?

 

[dirty harry]

The guy who comes out swinging against everyone and says everyone is radical except them...

Swinging? I have never swung at a single person here lol.

I havnt called everyone radical, just those who act radical, and I dont think, or at least I shouldn't have called anyone radical, but radicalised, there are plenty of sensible critical thinkers here, some overly passionate, some a little lacking in empathy, some a bit more hate filled, but radicalised behaviour needs highlighting, because in situations just like this, your all hyping yourselves up into a frenzy, and becoming scared, because someone saw a rage baiter, or vitriolic comment about war...

Im not attacking kiwiwomble, im explaining there are not mobs of straight white men roaming the street looking for rainbow lanyard wearers to corner and...

Is my opinion on that radical to you?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Wait, now you think im attacking you?

Im trying to explain to you the internet is not real life, rage bait is not consensus, your scared of mobs of straight white men hunting you down because of a rainbow lanyard... Just take a breath and think about that, think about how wildly unhinged that idea is!!!

Lets play a thought experiment, imagine you were a MAGA supporters, not the caricature of them you have in your head, just you, as you are now, but you enjoy Trumps policies. You liked Kirk, enjoyed his views, and saw the news of his murder (with 0 context or knowledge of the situation).

How are you feeling?

I think he feels like you were mocking him with the emojis. I agree that there isn't any reason to be too scared but then again I have seen these videos of Nazis in Australia matching around the place and that would actually be quite concerning to me if I was living there. Couple that with the fact he's going to the states I think we can cut him a bit of slack.

 

[Saintjay]

Not convinced people in Wales know what a prawn sandwich is.

To quote Rhodd Gilbert "People in Cardiff thing ciabatta was the pilot of the millennium falcon".

 

[Welsh Exile]

I agree with Harry that there is extreme rhetoric on both sides of the political spectrum (as is often the case throughout history)

HOWEVER, when we look at the elected, political leaders of each side, there does appear to be, to me, one side that is clearly fanning the flames more than the other and it’s not the left.

If you take Biden and Trump or Trump and Obama or Trump and Clinton etc etc and looked at who has made more violent comments, who has stoked the flames more, it’s not even close.

Now, as I said before, that does NOT mean to say there are not complete idiots on the left who say things just as bad, sometimes even worse than Trump, but you could argue they do that in response to Trump. When you have elected political leaders who don’t say unhinged things it tends to cool things down. Say crazy things and people can start to go a bit crazy.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Swinging? I have never swung at a single person here lol.

I havnt called everyone radical, just those who act radical, and I dont think, or at least I shouldn't have called anyone radical, but radicalised, there are plenty of sensible critical thinkers here, some overly passionate, some a little lacking in empathy, some a bit more hate filled, but radicalised behaviour needs highlighting, because in situations just like this, your all hyping yourselves up into a frenzy, and becoming scared, because someone saw a rage baiter, or vitriolic comment about war...

Im not attacking kiwiwomble, im explaining there are not mobs of straight white men roaming the street looking for rainbow lanyard wearers to corner and...

Is my opinion on that radical to you?

No not explaining, you're "laughing" and saying a gut feeling at seeing something posted makes me unhinged…did you not say a rational person would have reacted differently

Just explaining is "these are are extremist wind bags, I think the real word is very differences"

And I said concerned about being cornered, that doesn't necessarily mean hunted down by gangs in the street, it means someone calling you out in a pub (as I've seen before) or copping a few more "what's with the rainbow? You a gag or something"…as I've seen before and what those kinds of interactions could turn into in a more charged time

 

[Saintjay]

Just because someone doesn't understand someone else's fears or anxieties doesn't make it less real to them. Why bother reducing the fear of crime when it's not always rationale.

People at times just want reassurance. Circles back to showing empathy and being compassionate

 

[BrokenWing]

To quote Rhodd Gilbert "People in Cardiff thing ciabatta was the pilot of the millennium falcon".

Idiots.

He was co-pilot at best.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Swinging? I have never swung at a single person here lol.

I havnt called everyone radical, just those who act radical, and I dont think, or at least I shouldn't have called anyone radical, but radicalised, there are plenty of sensible critical thinkers here, some overly passionate, some a little lacking in empathy, some a bit more hate filled, but radicalised behaviour needs highlighting, because in situations just like this, your all hyping yourselves up into a frenzy, and becoming scared, because someone saw a rage baiter, or vitriolic comment about war...

Im not attacking kiwiwomble, im explaining there are not mobs of straight white men roaming the street looking for rainbow lanyard wearers to corner and...

Is my opinion on that radical to you?

You frequently come in with laughing emojis dismissing what anyone says and condescendingly act like they are radicalised from consuming extreme content and are oh too stupid to see the enlightened path such as you can. You are dismissing their fears out of hand. LGBT people face the highest levels of targeted violence and abuse of any group and by some margin. You saw the video of a guy getting mobbed at a hotel here in the UK for daring to say illegals weren't all criminals so why pretend this sort of thing isn't happening? Kiwi may not get mobbed sure but could they face abuse and potentially be in danger, particularly in the current climate given what's happened with Kirk? Definitely.

If you oppose radicalism, why do you never take Chicago to task for the stuff he writes?

 

[dirty harry]

I think he feels like you were mocking him with the emojis. I agree that there isn't any reason to be too scared but then again I have seen these videos of Nazis in Australia matching around the place and that would actually be quite concerning to me if I was living there. Couple that with the fact he's going to the states I think we can cut him a bit of slack.

I mean me laughing at his absurd comments probably wasnt the best, but ive read this thread this morning, and it is unhinged! These radicalised views in an echo chamber like this are so dangerous, everyone needs to relax and consider what they are saying.

These feelings arent rational, to compare extreme posts with the average person isnt going to help. The same way that the Australian marches have all been reported on in the context of a group of Nazi dickheads isnt conducive to social cohesion. Look at the pink protests, the mums all dressed in pink sitting in, deemed neo nazis, by the black block all masked up, grandmas would not be rationale if they thought mobs of Antifa plonkers were going to round them up for a pink lanyard.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean me laughing at his absurd comments probably wasnt the best, but ive read this thread this morning, and it is unhinged! These radicalised views in an echo chamber like this are so dangerous, everyone needs to relax and consider what they are saying.

These feelings arent rational, to compare extreme posts with the average person isnt going to help. The same way that the Australian marches have all been reported on in the context of a group of Nazi dickheads isnt conducive to social cohesion. Look at the pink protests, the mums all dressed in pink sitting in, deemed neo nazis, by the black block all masked up, grandmas would not be rationale if they thought mobs of Antifa plonkers were going to round them up for a pink lanyard.

That's all it is mate, don't laugh at people and I'm not saying that as someone who doesn't do it. I do, but while I tend to side with you more on this I genuinely do feel like we live in quite uncertain, ****** up times so can see both sides to it.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

**** me I regret daring to post

Literally just saying I feel this lunatic has made thing worse, pointing out this is a horrible thing, comment it’s occurred to me violence begets violence and what negative ramifications we might see because the person has done this horrible act…and even those thoughts get critiqued and attacked….thought that was all pretty safe ground for the average person to agree on

 

[Saintjay]

I mean me laughing at his absurd comments probably wasnt the best, but ive read this thread this morning, and it is unhinged! These radicalised views in an echo chamber like this are so dangerous, everyone needs to relax and consider what they are saying.

These feelings arent rational, to compare extreme posts with the average person isnt going to help. The same way that the Australian marches have all been reported on in the context of a group of Nazi dickheads isnt conducive to social cohesion. Look at the pink protests, the mums all dressed in pink sitting in, deemed neo nazis, by the black block all masked up, grandmas would not be rationale if they thought mobs of Antifa iplonkers were going to round them up for a pink lanyard.

Next time your trans friends raise a concern for there safety. I trust you'll laugh at them and call them unhinged

I'm starting to question how you are allowed near vulnerable people. I've seen safe guarding concerns raised for less

 

[dirty harry]

I agree with Harry that there is extreme rhetoric on both sides of the political spectrum (as is often the case throughout history)

HOWEVER, when we look at the elected, political leaders of each side, there does appear to be, to me, one side that is clearly fanning the flames more than the other and it's not the left.

If you take Biden and Trump or Trump and Obama or Trump and Clinton etc etc and looked at who has made more violent comments, who has stoked the flames more, it's not even close.

Now, as I said before, that does NOT mean to say there are not complete idiots on the left who say things just as bad, sometimes even worse than Trump, but you could argue they do that in response to Trump. When you have elected political leaders who don't say unhinged things it tends to cool things down. Say crazy things and people can start to go a bit crazy.

I agree, Republicans use more violent or probably more agressive rhetoric in general, but in the last decade this has more than evened out. Democrats literally called for violence against conservatives, constantly called Trump Hitler, and absolutely have dived head first into a strategy to disable social cohesion... its almost as if they decided everything was off the table when it came to Trump. It makes me miss the good old days of candidates debating and complimenting each other, shaking hands and being jovial.

I mean, calling for the public to go after politicians in public places, fight them in the streets, or talking about beating the hell out of them has only really started with threats on Trump. Weaponising black and Latinos communities really ramped up and became front and centre since early 2010s, endorsing and paying bonds for rioters I dont remember happening before Obama.

And no im not claiming Trump or Republicans hasn't played a part in it, im saying he has played a part in it, but lets not pretend its all him, Democrats have just realised they are under pressure, as the Republicans were early in the century, and well they have revealed themselves.

Infact didnt Palin release a map with a Crosshair on it, jesus I even miss Palin hahaha

 

[dirty harry]

Next time your trans friends raise a concern for there safety. I trust you'll laugh at them and call them unhinged

I'm starting to question how you are allowed near vulnerable people. I've seen safe guarding concerns raised for less

Your not going to understand how insensitive and transphobic this thought process is, it certainly highlights a lack of experience with the issue of trans and vulnerable people.

Trans people have their own thoughts and feelings, they are individuals, they are not a homogenous group with a political hive mind. Most of them have larger issues going on to worry about Trump, and this will blow your mind, some are fans!

But lets be specific, do you believe Kiwiwomble has a legitimacy in fearing mobs of people looking for rainbow lanyards to be violent toward? Infact, lets widen it, does a MAGA fans have legitimate fear of being shot for wearing a red lanyard?

 

[Welsh Exile]

I agree, Republicans use more violent or probably more agressive rhetoric in general, but in the last decade this has more than evened out. Democrats literally called for violence against conservatives, constantly called Trump Hitler, and absolutely have dived head first into a strategy to disable social cohesion... its almost as if they decided everything was off the table when it came to Trump. It makes me miss the good old days of candidates debating and complimenting each other, shaking hands and being jovial.

I mean, calling for the public to go after politicians in public places, fight them in the streets, or talking about beating the hell out of them has only really started with threats on Trump. Weaponising black and Latinos communities really ramped up and became front and centre since early 2010s, endorsing and paying bonds for rioters I dont remember happening before Obama.

And no im not claiming Trump or Republicans hasn't played a part in it, im saying he has played a part in it, but lets not pretend its all him, Democrats have just realised they are under pressure, as the Republicans were early in the century, and well they have revealed themselves.

Infact didnt Palin release a map with a Crosshair on it, jesus I even miss Palin hahaha

It’s not all him but, in my humble opinion, Trump was the one who changed the game.

Like you I lament the times when people could debate and shake hands but who do you think enabled that complete change? Was it Obama? Biden? Or the guy who came in and tore up the rule book, had a demeaning nickname for all of his opponents and reacted badly to any kind of criticisim? I think I know which guy I would suggest.

As I say, I think is lot of the bad stuff we’ve seen from the other side has been in response to Trump. I mean, even by your own admission Trump does these inflammatory things precisely to get a reaction from Dems that they, as you say, keep gladly obliging Trump on. Whose fault is that? Who’s strategy, by your own admission, is to create annamosity on both sides and stoke division?