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<blockquote data-quote="Melhor Time" data-source="post: 288865"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div></p><p></p><p>To an onside position? Do you see that? The video shows he stood up and failed to get onside and then charged down the ball. He was, without question, offside. Not marginal at all. It is there on the video I provided. No questions, nothing. Zero. The player committed a penalty which the referee missed and Wales then scored a try. 100% illegal and poor referring. We can argue and argue but it is there on the video I providedl Not a try, no doubt about it. </p><p></p><p>Honestly, why bother making the post that you have after I posted this video. You have no argument. <u>The video evidence is undeniable. He was offside</u>. </p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>Strongly disagree with two. You can see his body position is lowered and he's heading toward the man as the kick is made . There's no way he can just stop moving from that point. That would also rule out point 1 as an arguement. Now number 3? Different kettle of fish, you may have a point there but it was a stupid kick in the first place to be honest and even if Lobbe hadn't been tackled I think he outcome would have been the same.</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Whats it the problem with 2? He made a late tackle. The video proves this. Again, 100% proof. Rees was not committed but made the tackle. Now, I have experience as a referee and a player and I know when a player is committed to atackle and the video shows Rees certainly was not. I watched it again after reading your post and I certainly do not agree with you at all. It looks clear. The Welsh defender saw Lobbe going for a kick and went for the tackle after he had kicked it. In legal terms that equates to a late tackel whether you like it or not. </p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div></p><p></p><p>No they weren't. Sergio Parisse and Italy's scrum were Superb but they have zero attacking power out wide. You can't say a team is better than the other when they don't threaten the line for 70 minutes of the game. Italy are better without the ball than with it, which tells you all you need to know.</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>I certainly do not want to use this topic to debate about one of my beloved test teams, Italy. I agree they have limited attack, no quesiton about this. But, my point was that despite Italy not scoring a try they did have more opportunities than new Zealand to do so. New Zealand only scored one, which in itself is a huge reflection of the state of the current Italian team. Italy got close to scoring on a number of occassions but failed to do so. So, whether or not Wales were better than Argentina or not is irrelevent because often better teams on the day lose. In this game we are discusing Wales won and by a good score, yet their tries were all dubioius and two were simply not tries. I will not respond to you if you reply to my post as there is no need to do so as, I repeat, the video link I posted demonstrates that the second Wslh try was illegal and that the third was two.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Melhor Time, post: 288865"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div> To an onside position? Do you see that? The video shows he stood up and failed to get onside and then charged down the ball. He was, without question, offside. Not marginal at all. It is there on the video I provided. No questions, nothing. Zero. The player committed a penalty which the referee missed and Wales then scored a try. 100% illegal and poor referring. We can argue and argue but it is there on the video I providedl Not a try, no doubt about it. Honestly, why bother making the post that you have after I posted this video. You have no argument. [u]The video evidence is undeniable. He was offside[/u]. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>Strongly disagree with two. You can see his body position is lowered and he's heading toward the man as the kick is made . There's no way he can just stop moving from that point. That would also rule out point 1 as an arguement. Now number 3? Different kettle of fish, you may have a point there but it was a stupid kick in the first place to be honest and even if Lobbe hadn't been tackled I think he outcome would have been the same. [/b][/quote] Whats it the problem with 2? He made a late tackle. The video proves this. Again, 100% proof. Rees was not committed but made the tackle. Now, I have experience as a referee and a player and I know when a player is committed to atackle and the video shows Rees certainly was not. I watched it again after reading your post and I certainly do not agree with you at all. It looks clear. The Welsh defender saw Lobbe going for a kick and went for the tackle after he had kicked it. In legal terms that equates to a late tackel whether you like it or not. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div> No they weren't. Sergio Parisse and Italy's scrum were Superb but they have zero attacking power out wide. You can't say a team is better than the other when they don't threaten the line for 70 minutes of the game. Italy are better without the ball than with it, which tells you all you need to know. [/b][/quote] I certainly do not want to use this topic to debate about one of my beloved test teams, Italy. I agree they have limited attack, no quesiton about this. But, my point was that despite Italy not scoring a try they did have more opportunities than new Zealand to do so. New Zealand only scored one, which in itself is a huge reflection of the state of the current Italian team. Italy got close to scoring on a number of occassions but failed to do so. So, whether or not Wales were better than Argentina or not is irrelevent because often better teams on the day lose. In this game we are discusing Wales won and by a good score, yet their tries were all dubioius and two were simply not tries. I will not respond to you if you reply to my post as there is no need to do so as, I repeat, the video link I posted demonstrates that the second Wslh try was illegal and that the third was two. [/QUOTE]
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