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<blockquote data-quote="Melhor Time" data-source="post: 288873"><p><strong>Feicarsinn</strong></p><p></p><p>No disrespect intended. I have seen the takes enough. I know the ruels very well. I am a coach and have referee experience and plenty of player experience. I know the offside laws and I know the referee's calls cost Argentina significantly and that is not good enough at this level. If you honestly think the ref was good and thsat Wales deserved their tries then good for you. Thats over to you. But, I will not agree with you as I have already provided enough evidence to show why your point of view is problematic. </p><p></p><p>Seriously, I do not care about the result. I wanted Argentina to win but thought they would lose. It is unfortunate that they lost but more so that the referee was utterly wrong and it cost them and that fans on forums fail, depsite clear video facts, to acknowledge this. 2 false tries awarded. Video is there. No need to continue with this as it as proven 100%. Say waht ever you like about 50/50 calls but that only goes to further my pointy about the scrum and breakdown calls which could have gone either way but all went to Wales. </p><p></p><p><strong>Thingimubob</strong> </p><p></p><p>Firstly, I repeat, Argentinas should not have won this game. They are too injury depleted to compete with a team like Wales.</p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div></p><p></p><p>As the video shows, no he did not get back far enough. He was offside. It is clear as the video shows. </p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div></p><p> </p><p>Marginally offside = offside. You are not saying he was onside, are you? Again, I repeat, the video shows he was offside. </p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div></p><p></p><p>I understand your point but must stress that Argentina were hard done by at scrum time. It is evident with Wales failing to bind correctly and Roncero concessing a penalty which was 50/50. Lobbe talked to the ref who failed to clarify what the penalty was for. Add to this the two tries that were awarded to Wales when they were not tries at all ans ask the obvious quesiotn: is this referee poor? Argentina, in the scrums, were let down by a referee who failed to see Wales binding incorrectly. It enabled Paul James, in particular, to look like a decent player. No disrespect intended. </p><p></p><p>Interstingly, I have posted the video elsewhere and have got 100% agreement with my post. </p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div></p><p></p><p>Roberts is first choice over Henson actually. I would go for Halfpenny over Byrne too. Adan Jones is first choice but not overly goo. Certainly no match for either Roncero or Ayerza. Phillips, do you rate him, honestly? Peel on his day is better. Shanklin, yes he was missed. The Lions lost the series btw, so your point is not so good. But, look, I see your point but none of these players are the class of Hernandez. None are as good as Contepomi or Leguizamon either. The situation facing Argentina this month should not be ignored or talked down. The teams playing England and Wales did not have full professionals playing 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 or 12. Thes eare all based on injuries not form or selection. Argentina's top 3 wingers are all injured. Argentina's top 3 10's are all injured. Argentina's top 2 12's are both injured. Argentina's backrow is without three of their top 4 players. It is hard to play with so many players injured and when ones team plays so infrequently. Do you honestly think Wales, with Byrne and co back are a better side than Argentina looking like this:</p><p></p><p>15 Agulla, 14 Amorisino, 13 Tiesi, 12 Contepomi, 11 Camacho, 10 Hernandez, 9 Lalanne, 8 Lobbe, 7 Leguizamon, 6 Fessia, 5 Albacete, 4 Carizza, 3 Scelzo, 2 Ledesma, 1 Roncero</p><p></p><p>16 Basualdo, 17 Ayerza, 18 Sambucetti, 19 Galindo, 20 Figuerola, 21 Bosch, 22 Carballo</p><p></p><p>If you do then we have vastly different views of rugby. </p><p></p><p>Stephen Jones, credit to him, is no Hernandez. The best thing that happened to Clermont was him leaving. Unwanted Australian, Brock James, has been significantly better. </p><p></p><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div></p><p></p><p>As I said, I blame Argentina for this try. However, it is not a 100% case as you suggest. It did look like a penaty had been opted for. Whether it had been or not I am not so concerned. This was an Argentine error that should never happen. The other two tries, however, were down to poor refereeing not legal play from ther Welsh. 14 illegal points. Still enough to win, like I have said, but next time a better referee please. Could the ref speak at least basic Spanish too? Surely a simple request?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Melhor Time, post: 288873"] [b]Feicarsinn[/b] No disrespect intended. I have seen the takes enough. I know the ruels very well. I am a coach and have referee experience and plenty of player experience. I know the offside laws and I know the referee's calls cost Argentina significantly and that is not good enough at this level. If you honestly think the ref was good and thsat Wales deserved their tries then good for you. Thats over to you. But, I will not agree with you as I have already provided enough evidence to show why your point of view is problematic. Seriously, I do not care about the result. I wanted Argentina to win but thought they would lose. It is unfortunate that they lost but more so that the referee was utterly wrong and it cost them and that fans on forums fail, depsite clear video facts, to acknowledge this. 2 false tries awarded. Video is there. No need to continue with this as it as proven 100%. Say waht ever you like about 50/50 calls but that only goes to further my pointy about the scrum and breakdown calls which could have gone either way but all went to Wales. [b]Thingimubob[/b] Firstly, I repeat, Argentinas should not have won this game. They are too injury depleted to compete with a team like Wales. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div> As the video shows, no he did not get back far enough. He was offside. It is clear as the video shows. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div> Marginally offside = offside. You are not saying he was onside, are you? Again, I repeat, the video shows he was offside. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div> I understand your point but must stress that Argentina were hard done by at scrum time. It is evident with Wales failing to bind correctly and Roncero concessing a penalty which was 50/50. Lobbe talked to the ref who failed to clarify what the penalty was for. Add to this the two tries that were awarded to Wales when they were not tries at all ans ask the obvious quesiotn: is this referee poor? Argentina, in the scrums, were let down by a referee who failed to see Wales binding incorrectly. It enabled Paul James, in particular, to look like a decent player. No disrespect intended. Interstingly, I have posted the video elsewhere and have got 100% agreement with my post. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div> Roberts is first choice over Henson actually. I would go for Halfpenny over Byrne too. Adan Jones is first choice but not overly goo. Certainly no match for either Roncero or Ayerza. Phillips, do you rate him, honestly? Peel on his day is better. Shanklin, yes he was missed. The Lions lost the series btw, so your point is not so good. But, look, I see your point but none of these players are the class of Hernandez. None are as good as Contepomi or Leguizamon either. The situation facing Argentina this month should not be ignored or talked down. The teams playing England and Wales did not have full professionals playing 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 or 12. Thes eare all based on injuries not form or selection. Argentina's top 3 wingers are all injured. Argentina's top 3 10's are all injured. Argentina's top 2 12's are both injured. Argentina's backrow is without three of their top 4 players. It is hard to play with so many players injured and when ones team plays so infrequently. Do you honestly think Wales, with Byrne and co back are a better side than Argentina looking like this: 15 Agulla, 14 Amorisino, 13 Tiesi, 12 Contepomi, 11 Camacho, 10 Hernandez, 9 Lalanne, 8 Lobbe, 7 Leguizamon, 6 Fessia, 5 Albacete, 4 Carizza, 3 Scelzo, 2 Ledesma, 1 Roncero 16 Basualdo, 17 Ayerza, 18 Sambucetti, 19 Galindo, 20 Figuerola, 21 Bosch, 22 Carballo If you do then we have vastly different views of rugby. Stephen Jones, credit to him, is no Hernandez. The best thing that happened to Clermont was him leaving. Unwanted Australian, Brock James, has been significantly better. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div> As I said, I blame Argentina for this try. However, it is not a 100% case as you suggest. It did look like a penaty had been opted for. Whether it had been or not I am not so concerned. This was an Argentine error that should never happen. The other two tries, however, were down to poor refereeing not legal play from ther Welsh. 14 illegal points. Still enough to win, like I have said, but next time a better referee please. Could the ref speak at least basic Spanish too? Surely a simple request? [/QUOTE]
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