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<blockquote data-quote="Bruce_ma gooshvili" data-source="post: 1075770" data-attributes="member: 74121"><p>Pretty much as Olly describes. Personally I'm a pretty superficial guy when it comes to music. It's a case of what calls to me, and 9 times out of 10 that is simply the music rather than lyrics or artistic merit. </p><p></p><p>So from the examples I posted. Carcass is all about the musicianship in the riffs and solos (with irrelevant lyrics often of a medical nature).</p><p></p><p>Entombed - energy and lyrics. Here is another of theirs with some of my favourite lyrics about renouncing or testing authority, conventional wisdom and conformity and seeking mental independence (if that isn't too arty-farty <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />).</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/94346/[/URL]</p><p></p><p>These themes probably need a bit of oomph behind them, rather than crooning with a voice tuner. So you get this.</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]-qUkEydJSGw[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Ministry - experimentation and evolution. They went from a synth focused group to industrial / metal and I find groups (of any type) that evolve mildly fascinating. It is these rare human beings trying to do something that probably hasn't been attempted before. Here is some of their earlier stuff, that is quite different to what I posted above as they started to mix more mechanical / industrial sounds into the synths back in the mid-80s (before my time). Real pioneers.</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]8zRCDO-NZLA[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>I've never been into the more thrashy, ultra fast guitar stuff myself but can imagine it being quite impressive live. Generally there are loads of tropes and stereotypes around heavier music that I'm not a big fan off. For a scene that sets out to be non-conformist it is often just as conformist as the next thing. There also wasn't quite enough experimentation with vocals and deviating from the norm in a lot of the stuff I started to hear and so I lost interest within a few years.</p><p></p><p>But noise and energy in music has been exhilarating since Stravinsky in 1913 (particularly mins 3 to 7)</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]5Vw-fy-Gfl8[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>And even before that power and energy in music could be important when you needed to get a young man's 'blood up' so he'd willingly fight to the death, be it for a just cause or utter folly. I wonder how much this type of stuff helped Scotland to finish second in 'deaths per capita' league table behind the Serbs in World War 1 despite living hundreds of miles away from the front and having no land or family to defend. </p><p> [MEDIA=youtube]VKDVK-AM6S0[/MEDIA]</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/Scottish-Piper-War-Heroes/#:~:text=The%20death%20rate%20amongst%20pipers,%27go%20over%20the%20top%27.[/URL]</p><p></p><p>At the risk of mild sexism I'd say energy, noise and some of the lyrical themes in heavier music are more targeted to men and the distinct hormonal influences and cultural priorities they experience. A lot of men desperately need an alternative to a life of skinny jeans, moisturiser and pining after lassies. Some can also need a healthy outlet for the testosterone etc that I consider as almost polluting our bodies (see crime rates and suicide rates)! But I'm getting into real beard stroking territory there again. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bruce_ma gooshvili, post: 1075770, member: 74121"] Pretty much as Olly describes. Personally I'm a pretty superficial guy when it comes to music. It's a case of what calls to me, and 9 times out of 10 that is simply the music rather than lyrics or artistic merit. So from the examples I posted. Carcass is all about the musicianship in the riffs and solos (with irrelevant lyrics often of a medical nature). Entombed - energy and lyrics. Here is another of theirs with some of my favourite lyrics about renouncing or testing authority, conventional wisdom and conformity and seeking mental independence (if that isn't too arty-farty :p). [URL unfurl="true"]https://songmeanings.com/songs/view/94346/[/URL] These themes probably need a bit of oomph behind them, rather than crooning with a voice tuner. So you get this. [MEDIA=youtube]-qUkEydJSGw[/MEDIA] Ministry - experimentation and evolution. They went from a synth focused group to industrial / metal and I find groups (of any type) that evolve mildly fascinating. It is these rare human beings trying to do something that probably hasn't been attempted before. Here is some of their earlier stuff, that is quite different to what I posted above as they started to mix more mechanical / industrial sounds into the synths back in the mid-80s (before my time). Real pioneers. [MEDIA=youtube]8zRCDO-NZLA[/MEDIA] I've never been into the more thrashy, ultra fast guitar stuff myself but can imagine it being quite impressive live. Generally there are loads of tropes and stereotypes around heavier music that I'm not a big fan off. For a scene that sets out to be non-conformist it is often just as conformist as the next thing. There also wasn't quite enough experimentation with vocals and deviating from the norm in a lot of the stuff I started to hear and so I lost interest within a few years. But noise and energy in music has been exhilarating since Stravinsky in 1913 (particularly mins 3 to 7) [MEDIA=youtube]5Vw-fy-Gfl8[/MEDIA] And even before that power and energy in music could be important when you needed to get a young man's 'blood up' so he'd willingly fight to the death, be it for a just cause or utter folly. I wonder how much this type of stuff helped Scotland to finish second in 'deaths per capita' league table behind the Serbs in World War 1 despite living hundreds of miles away from the front and having no land or family to defend. [MEDIA=youtube]VKDVK-AM6S0[/MEDIA] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/Scottish-Piper-War-Heroes/#:~:text=The%20death%20rate%20amongst%20pipers,%27go%20over%20the%20top%27.[/URL] At the risk of mild sexism I'd say energy, noise and some of the lyrical themes in heavier music are more targeted to men and the distinct hormonal influences and cultural priorities they experience. A lot of men desperately need an alternative to a life of skinny jeans, moisturiser and pining after lassies. Some can also need a healthy outlet for the testosterone etc that I consider as almost polluting our bodies (see crime rates and suicide rates)! But I'm getting into real beard stroking territory there again. :D [/QUOTE]
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