Where are we?

Discussion in 'International Test Matches' started by Jer Mac, Nov 30, 2009.

  1. Jer Mac

    Jer Mac Guest

    Apologies if this topic has been set up somewhere else but i wanted a broad discussion on all teams after the autumn international series.. Just what peoples thoughts are 2 years from the world cup.. I am just going to give ye my opinion on all teams and hope ye will do likewise... here goes:

    Australia:
    To me, they seem to be building nicely. After seeing them first hand in Croke Park, i must admit they impressed me and on that day shouldve easily won the game. i think this game actually knocked them back a bit for the scotland game but we saw their true worth in Cardiff... i think in the current rugby climate they play a near complete game...their scrum is much improved and they have invented a machine in pocock....this kid frightens me...he is a quick ball destroyer as well as being a fantastic loose forward....they have the most inventive backline in world rugby while their forwards posess scintilating handling and ball carrying skills.. on the deck they have improved and blew ireland to bits at times with the counter ruck.. I like the look of Quad Cooper... seems a classy stepper and acurate kicker from the hands..their back three arent as exciting as teams of old but arent killing bad either.. the scrum half looks a star in the making also... If Giteu can kick the goals and they find a better lineout then they will be dark horses for the tournament...watch this space..

    New Zealand:
    I think these guys will always prodce world class XV's but their problem is they cant vary their game enough... they easily play the most eye catching rugby but against the best defenses in the game, this will haunt them as shown in the last two world cups... their offloading and game breaking skills are unparalled and i wish all teams could play like them.. but for me this is their strongest and weakest point.. As the boks showed this year, with an organised defense and Knick Knacks like Heinrick Brusow they are well beatable... they need a few more strigns to their bow i believe.. Over reliant on McCaw and Carter (who is the best player in the world at present) to make things happen...but who wouldnt.. Carter is the glue that binds them.. man is this kid something else... will the pressuere get to them on their home turf.. or can graham the autumn king add a few more cogs to their slightly predictable machine.... will be my favourites though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    South Africa:
    Will be there or thereabouts... unlike New Zealand they almost totally rely on a kicking game and a giant pack to butcher teams off the park.. behind the scrum they seem to lack invention and footballing skills and nous.. But that said they have 3-4 of the best forwards in loose rugby by a long margin and have this pressure based game mastered..they squeezed the life out of austrailia, Nz and the lions but god help them if the others bring similar packs to the table... i think they are also handicapped by a coach who lacks invention and Plans B,C & D... this could hurt them but they will be right in the mix as history has shown us...

    Ireland:
    For me they are the strongest Northern Hemisphere team at the moment... and if you are from france suck it up... Ireland have a quality backline, possibly the second strongest in world rugby after the all blacks.. In Rob Kearney (Arguably the best 15 in the game) and BOD there is world class while Kieth Earls is a bombshell waiting to explode.. Tommy Bowe runs great lines and in Sexton we may see a world class operator....although this is premature... The big problem for Ireland will be getting the ball to them.. the pack is ok to good in the loose, poor in the scrum but has a world class lineout as shown by their exploits v the boks and Aussies... however Ireland lack a world class openside which is like going to the shop without money in my humble opinion..... The great teams have them and since Ireland dont have one, cannot be considered a great team... or cannot be considered contenders..will do well to get past quaters... a favourable draw maybe!! i can dream!

    France:
    As stated above, not the strongest team in NH..they mangled an average Bok team and were shown up v the all blacks.. they dont have a fly half to control the game..bottom line... trin duc is lost. Michelak is a birdbrain at times while beauxis isnt bad but is injured or something at present and seems to rely heavily on the boot... there is no denying the fact that they have probably more talent (bar at outhalf)than all of the other NH teams put together but their coach seems to be in cloud cukoo land at the best of times... His matchday selections can be scatterbrained to the extreme and his tactics seem devoid of any shape or game pattern... They do posess some gifted broken field runners both in the back row and behind the scrum as they have had always and will come to the tournament bringing marvellous french flair but for me this flair is seldom seen and most admired... Will do well to make a semi final in my opinion....

    Argentina:
    In my opinion they left the tournament after them last time out..play with great heart but rely too much on a kicking game, the up and under! they posess one of the best players in world rugby in juan martin hernadez but if he gets injured they are totally lost... still with their magnificent pack i wouldnt fancy drawing them at any stage during the competition... Imagine how good they will become when they enter the tri nations and their players start plaing in the Super 14...... its a scary thought 5 years down the line!!

    Wales:
    Next in line after Ireland and france... they have some gifted players but just lack something to make them world beaters... im not sure what.. their defense coached by a great defensive co-ordinator left them down badly which seems to be a continuous problem... They are the nearest thing to the ripoff All Blacks in their style of play in the NH. They are just simply a good team..typified by their steady to good outhalf!! there pack to me isnt dynamic enough and they dont have enough world class throughout their squad.. i think the nations expectation doesnt help and neither did the game v the Aussies... It seems Gatland has taken them as far as he can.. strength in depth seems to be a problem...

    England:
    Where to begin.. i watched them over the autumn with disgust and despair... Id often watch the premier league to see what our old neighbors are getting up to and the international team is no reflection of the stuff that goes on there... I found it hard to believe Ben Foden for example didnt get a run this year.. Think the guy is a smashing bit of stuff..dynamic and inventive... Gerathy was class in the heineken cup (ask my team) yet seemed rigid and afraid when playing for his country... Cipriani has been mistreated... if that talent was in any other nation... I think Johnson rules with an iron fist and his team play like it on the field... they are boring and seem torn between the game they play naturally for their clubs and the one with which he wants to play... The crazy selections like ugo moyne at fullback and any goode in general just make me wonder wtf? I believe they are the sleeping giant of world rugby and with the right man at the helm could be dangerous... there is genuine game breaking talent in their ranks.. Spare a thought for the once majestic Wilkinson.. i grew up in awe of this man and it pains me now to see one of the greatest modern players playing in reverse.. whether by instruction or intuition he is playing 20 yards away from the gain line and defenses are rubbing their paws in sight of him... Shame..

    Scotland:
    Didnt see them play so cant really comment.. i thought they were appauling in last years 6 nations highlighted by the lack of players in the lions squad, run by a scottish coach.. they are doing well to be competitive and the scap off australia wil bolster their believes for the upcomming 6 nations.

    So lads, thats my take on the major teams in the world game.... I hope this will spark good debate!
     
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  3. wertas

    wertas Guest

    France is better NH team than Ireland. First of all - forwards. France can choose from 10 or 12 players and you can argue which 8 are better from that pool. Also, Ireland didn't play New Zealand this year and it is big question if Ireland have guts to play open rugby wiht New Zealand. Can you remember when it was the last time Ireland beat New Zealand? In backline Ireland have Kearney and Bowe. Top players. O'Driscoll is not the best openside center anymore. France have a good pair of wings, Medard at fullback and many good centers. Fly-half is the weakest link and it will be until Trinc-Duc learn how to kick or put here Traille or convert Parra to fly-half. Trinc-Duc plays as extra center and sometimes it gives benefit because french scrum-half have good kicking skills and can cover fly-half.

    There is Italy in that list? :D
     
  4. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Australia: Getting it right, the kids are getting the experience they need and will more then likely be favourites/joint favourites come the World cup.
    New Zealand: Mixed bag. An ageing squad for the most part being held together by McCaw and Carter. They need Heyman, Jack, Williams, McAlistair, Kellaher & Rocokoco back ASAP. Will still be candidates for the World cup however.
    South Africa: Peter de Villiers has had the same effect on them as the Labour Party has had on the British Economy... They're f***ed.
    Ireland: Bumbled they're way to an unconvincing Grand-slam & O'Driscoll saved them many blushes in the AIs, especially against Australia who are only on a development tour. Better then England, Italy and Wales at the moment, not better then France. They've been over-hyped by the media too much.
    England: Rob Andrew is employed. England will continue winning 40% if they're lucky. Forget them.
    Wales: It's like 2006 all over again.
    Scotland: Andy Robinson is building something special with them. We're not talking grand-slams or world cups here, but definitely could cause a few surprises.
    France: Beaten by the ABs at the weekend. Also won in NZ during the summer. Something very, very special is being developed there. They'll be contenders for the WC in a big way.
     
  5. Jer Mac

    Jer Mac Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wertas @ Nov 30 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Cant see France competing without a quaity fly half to release their backline... plus coach is a bit madddd!!!!

    Cant see Italy competing in the 6 nations, not to mind rwc... without a backline..
     
  6. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Macado @ Nov 30 2009, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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  7. Jer Mac

    Jer Mac Guest

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    You rate him teh mite???????????????????????????????
     
  8. Jer Mac

    Jer Mac Guest

  9. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

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    Yes, very much so. So do apparently the people at Toulouse and Netal Sharks... They may know a thing or two.
     
  10. bristol-iain

    bristol-iain Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 30 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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    Yes, very much so. So do apparently the people at Toulouse and Netal Sharks... They may know a thing or two.
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    On his day Michalak is one of the most flamboyant, creative rugby genius there is. I used to ove watching him play as you'd never know what he'd do next. I'm sure he can still do it at international level.
     
  11. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    I've always described him as Frances' answer to Carlos Spencer. A fantastic player to watch.
     
  12. Jer Mac

    Jer Mac Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bristol-iain @ Nov 30 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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    On his day Michalak is one of the most flamboyant, creative rugby genius there is. I used to ove watching him play as you'd never know what he'd do next. I'm sure he can still do it at international level.
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    Theres no doubting his ability but he cannot control a game.... never felt he was capable at 10... and believe this is where France are lacking at the moment.
    All that said, like in the last wc, i wouldnt fancy playing them when they get their tails up!!
     
  13. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Macado @ Nov 30 2009, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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  14. bristol-iain

    bristol-iain Guest

    Im trying to find youtube videos of his talent. Seems there are many videos of his posing like a ponce.
     
  15. Jer Mac

    Jer Mac Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 30 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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  16. shazbooger

    shazbooger Guest

    They rate him highly enough to sit him on the bench. thats about it.

    hes probably better than TrinDuc so i'd go with him but he's like Henson, so much potential but he nevere delivered.
     
  17. gingergenius

    gingergenius Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Nov 30 2009, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    But not capable of controlling a game at international level. Consigned to the Charlie Hodgson box of talented but not good enough.
     
  18. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Yeah right, that's what all of New Zealand were crowing about in 07.

    Pull another one.
     
  19. el_tk

    el_tk Guest

    NZ will get back a few players from the NH and win the 3N next year and probably 2011 but not the RWC

    Australia look like they're improving but they have an awful lot of questions to answer to become RWC contenders. There is a storm brewing there

    SA may have peaked but would currently be favourites for the RWC as they'll hold most of their squad until then

    England can only improve

    France are the best side in the world on their day but don't care enough to win a RWC. They may well win a GS in the 6N

    Wales are also improving but need to be at full strength all the time to be at their best. They need to beat NZ to step up to the next level.

    Italy are still awful. Having 2 teams in the Magners might get some long-term benefits

    Scotland are limited but Andy Robinson will probably get the best out of them

    Argentina are difficult to judge because as usual they are missing so many players

    Ireland don't look like a side capable of winning a RWC. Need a tighthead and a proper openside, and, like Wales, to be at full strength all the time.
     
  20. bristol-iain

    bristol-iain Guest

    "Where are we, where where, where are we, I really wanna know."
     
  21. bristol-iain

    bristol-iain Guest

    Ow my eyes.
     
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