Why did the Wallabies lose!

[Wazimba2K]

It was a deflating Tri-Nations Campaign. Full of ego, pride and joy, the only thing left in me is the tail between my legs after footing the bill at the Rugby bar last night. Even the fat chick with a Springbok Jersey won't take my number. It hurt so bad!LOL! I wish I had a Wallaby credit card and I would have gotten a hooker. This seems to be the norm. I won't name any names though! What happened to Lote anyway :lol:

Back to Dingo and the Wallabies. During the 2004 Super 14 Finals btwn Crusaders and Brumbies, Deans actually substituted Carter and brought Mertehns in after trailing 24-0 in the first 20 minutes. The end result was close. 47-38 for the Brumbies. He should have made those second half changes way earlier at the 15-0 mark.

Many assume Giteau deserves the #10 spot when he returns to the Brumbies but he doesn't. Lealiifano has done well this far and I think he should get a Wallaby call-up. Every time there is a highlight of a Wallabyplayer before a big match, that player always messes up. Follow the example of Giteau, Ashley-Cooper, Barnes and Brown. Go to rugbydump.com


Many Wallabies wouldn't prefer Quade at fly-half going into the Tri-Nations 2010 and RWC 2011. Peter Hewat and Norton Knight were largely ignored for Wallaby call-ups. Since Burke, NSW hasn't produced a good full-back yet. Brumbies breeds the Fly-halves i.e Larkham and Giteau, Reds-Wingers Ioane and Hynes, NSW, front row-Nau & Robinson. What has the Force produced this far? It appeared the Force provided 6 starting Wallabies just for ticket sales promotion.

Burgess has got to go.Habana slipped off of him, Giteau was playing fetch the Contortionist through the whole game and Burgess was not controlling the defense spread. He has no direct attack. Half the time his head is up looking around. It appears everyone is heading to the Brumbies in anticipation of the New Super 15 team formation. I think it would be a better edge during a contract negotiation to transfer from the Brumbies than to move from the Reds. Brumbies just have a talent overload. 3 fly-halves(Giteau, Lealiifano, and Tomua)3 Scrum halves(Phibbs, Valentine and Giteau)

Ask me who the Wallaby fullback is and I blank out. O' Connor should have played 12 and Ashley Cooper 15. Period!
Chisholm did well and I must say Mortlock's presence and Sharpe's ball carrying was missed. Ashley Cooper's hand-off was shut down and his inability to tackle on the left is no longer a secret. Fourie's and Habana's try were to his left. Check the Video. Coincidence. Check the Hong-Kong Bledisloe game. Sivivatu went inside on his left.

I am not a Perth follower but even after watching the Ba-bas game, Cross resumes his line formation all the time without first securing the ball. No ball, no offense. So why not secure the ball first.

Anyway, lets try clear things up and comment more.

Thank you!

 

[Fushitsusha]

Sharpe's ability to go missing in the tight wasn't missed...

It's no surprise that Giteau played significantly better when Genia came on and gave him consistently good service that he was able to run onto...

Burgess needs to be dumped... so does Brown, he has been terrible the entire 3N and his time is up...

While Cross is a good attacking player his defence is suspect at outside centre... like most league converts...

Australia had a quality fullback in Gerrard, but Deans isn't a fan... oh well...

 

[Wally]

What happened to Cameron Shepherd?

The Wallabies looked best when they played 9. Genia 10. Cooper 12. Giteau - It's no secret Giteau has played his best football at inside centre. In any case they have gone from bad to worse this season, and appear poorly coached at times.

 

[Wally]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Melhor Time")</div>

Why not kick Australia out of the 3N? They are not able to win afterall? I do not want them removed but the point is vivid for everybody to understand. Australia bing in the 3N as a part of a three way battle for SH supremacy is simply not accurate. The current team is not good and the coaching has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, this is not so surprizing. Australia suffer from having no local player base. This is why they go after NRL players. Sooner or latter they will need to select players base din Europe, even if the rule is to only allow one or two based there in the team it will be an improvement. Look at Australia's options to replace Mortlock. There are none. The options, in Australia, are Cross or Ashley-Cooper. One is a former league player and the other is a fullback. Another could have been Timana Tahu who is another league player. While the other option for 13 woiuld be Lote Tuqiri... yes a league player too. Australia cannot go on with no national competition. The Super 14 is not producing players, certainly not enough in different positions. Some of the Wallabies are poor. Burgess was outplayed to the extent that his international career should have ended in November 2008 when playing vs France. The reason he is still there is a lack of options. This is the same reason why John Connoly played Giteau at 9 in 2007. Barnes and Lakham were there to play flyhalf. Australia really need Mark Gasnier playing for them. Today he scored two tries for Stade Francais. SF were losing and looking like being badly beaten at one point but Gasnier played well to help his team win. He plays in France so can't represent Australia, despite being much better than Cross, et all. This will need to change, and may come under review, if Australia keep losing. There is no way that Tyrone Smith is better. If Australia don't use Gasnier then he could very well play for France. France would be using Brock James but he played sevens for Australia so cannot.

Could Australia's amateur players (no Super 14 players allowed whatsoever) play Canada and the USA in North America and win? I am not so sure. Well Argentina's Jaguars have done so this year. Argentina are moving towards a professional domestic competition. John O'Neill, cancelled Australia's after one year. Mr O'Neill is not doing Australia many favors. His handling of the ARU's international affairs is anti-expantionist in many ways. Australia need better relations with many rugby countries. Its all good and well to move a Bledisloe Cup match to China or Japan to make a profit but the domestic fans need variation and need to see the strenghts of more teams. Australia's low crowd vs France in June in Sydney was really shocking. Vs Wales in 2007 it was too. John O'Neill blamed the Welsh for not having all their top players yet a French team who had defeated New Zealand didn't sell ticked two weeks latter. Australia have not hosted Argentina since 2000 and have not played in Argentina since 2002. Here lies the problem. The fans are, in large part, clueless. This is shocking given that the ARU is in a four way war with rugby league, soccer and Australian rules football. Rugby's strength is that it is international, unlike league and aussie rules. Yet, Mr O'Neill seems to not understand this. He does so much harm to Australia's relations with others. He should be looking to build a future with the world power Argentina.

He should be wanting to act as a regional leader in the Pacific. Think back to the success of World Cup games in 2003 in Adelaide, Wollongong, Canberra, Gosford and Townsville. These venues sold out, or virtually sold out games including Ireland vs Argentina, France vs USA, Canada vs Italy and Japan vs Fiji. The ARU should be taking games to these places. It needs to host teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and Japan at these venues. Mr O'Neill pulled Australia 'A' out of the Pacific Nations Cup which made games like these that much more important. Australia needs to take games to the fans. Use these venues and make use of the year outside of the Super 14, Tri Nations and November / June internationals.

When Giteau was 12 the things were better for Australia. This is when the team scored tries. He should be playing here. Cooper was better at 10 but Brock James is what is missing. I have said so a few times already. Flyhalf play does not need to be a star like Carter or Hernandez. Wilkinson certainly has little play making skills compared to these guys, yet he controls play. Andy goode does too. He replaced a Giteau like player (Danny Cipriani) and England were better off. Organization is key at flyhalf. Brock James has this. Morne Steyn is a rubbish runner yet has this too. Why has Ronan O'Gara been the man for Ireland for so long? Cooper, Beale, O'Connor and Giteau are all immensely talented but most are better at other positions. The Wallaby backline is very unbalanced.

A balanced backline would be:

10 James
11 Ioane
12 Giteau
13 Gasnier
14 Mitchell
15 Ashley-Cooper[/b]

 

[Wazimba2K]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 29 2009, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Melhor Time")

Why not kick Australia out of the 3N? They are not able to win afterall? I do not want them removed but the point is vivid for everybody to understand. Australia bing in the 3N as a part of a three way battle for SH supremacy is simply not accurate. The current team is not good and the coaching has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, this is not so surprizing. Australia suffer from having no local player base. This is why they go after NRL players. Sooner or latter they will need to select players base din Europe, even if the rule is to only allow one or two based there in the team it will be an improvement. Look at Australia's options to replace Mortlock. There are none. The options, in Australia, are Cross or Ashley-Cooper. One is a former league player and the other is a fullback. Another could have been Timana Tahu who is another league player. While the other option for 13 woiuld be Lote Tuqiri... yes a league player too. Australia cannot go on with no national competition. The Super 14 is not producing players, certainly not enough in different positions. Some of the Wallabies are poor. Burgess was outplayed to the extent that his international career should have ended in November 2008 when playing vs France. The reason he is still there is a lack of options. This is the same reason why John Connoly played Giteau at 9 in 2007. Barnes and Lakham were there to play flyhalf. Australia really need Mark Gasnier playing for them. Today he scored two tries for Stade Francais. SF were losing and looking like being badly beaten at one point but Gasnier played well to help his team win. He plays in France so can't represent Australia, despite being much better than Cross, et all. This will need to change, and may come under review, if Australia keep losing. There is no way that Tyrone Smith is better. If Australia don't use Gasnier then he could very well play for France. France would be using Brock James but he played sevens for Australia so cannot.


You seem to want to push this James guy onto many of us and quite frankly, he is unknown. The depth is present. We are getting a fifth Super 15 team. Our Tri-Nations Campaign will be ruled as a total failure if we fail at the RWC 2011. Team build up takes years and you have to understand, there is less than 6 players who were in the last World Cup.

Your headliner is an Emotional filled remark calling for the dropping of the Wallabies from the Tri-Nations. That is a little out of line. Do you even know the Fly halves for the other 3 Super 14 teams?

Take care
Could Australia's amateur players (no Super 14 players allowed whatsoever) play Canada and the USA in North America and win? I am not so sure. Well Argentina's Jaguars have done so this year. Argentina are moving towards a professional domestic competition. John O'Neill, cancelled Australia's after one year. Mr O'Neill is not doing Australia many favors. His handling of the ARU's international affairs is anti-expantionist in many ways. Australia need better relations with many rugby countries. Its all good and well to move a Bledisloe Cup match to China or Japan to make a profit but the domestic fans need variation and need to see the strenghts of more teams. Australia's low crowd vs France in June in Sydney was really shocking. Vs Wales in 2007 it was too. John O'Neill blamed the Welsh for not having all their top players yet a French team who had defeated New Zealand didn't sell ticked two weeks latter. Australia have not hosted Argentina since 2000 and have not played in Argentina since 2002. Here lies the problem. The fans are, in large part, clueless. This is shocking given that the ARU is in a four way war with rugby league, soccer and Australian rules football. Rugby's strength is that it is international, unlike league and aussie rules. Yet, Mr O'Neill seems to not understand this. He does so much harm to Australia's relations with others. He should be looking to build a future with the world power Argentina.

He should be wanting to act as a regional leader in the Pacific. Think back to the success of World Cup games in 2003 in Adelaide, Wollongong, Canberra, Gosford and Townsville. These venues sold out, or virtually sold out games including Ireland vs Argentina, France vs USA, Canada vs Italy and Japan vs Fiji. The ARU should be taking games to these places. It needs to host teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and Japan at these venues. Mr O'Neill pulled Australia 'A' out of the Pacific Nations Cup which made games like these that much more important. Australia needs to take games to the fans. Use these venues and make use of the year outside of the Super 14, Tri Nations and November / June internationals.

When Giteau was 12 the things were better for Australia. This is when the team scored tries. He should be playing here. Cooper was better at 10 but Brock James is what is missing. I have said so a few times already. Flyhalf play does not need to be a star like Carter or Hernandez. Wilkinson certainly has little play making skills compared to these guys, yet he controls play. Andy goode does too. He replaced a Giteau like player (Danny Cipriani) and England were better off. Organization is key at flyhalf. Brock James has this. Morne Steyn is a rubbish runner yet has this too. Why has Ronan O'Gara been the man for Ireland for so long? Cooper, Beale, O'Connor and Giteau are all immensely talented but most are better at other positions. The Wallaby backline is very unbalanced.

A balanced backline would be:

10 James
11 Ioane
12 Giteau
13 Gasnier
14 Mitchell
15 Ashley-Cooper[/b]

[/b][/quote]

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Melhor Time")

Why not kick Australia out of the 3N? They are not able to win afterall? I do not want them removed but the point is vivid for everybody to understand. Australia bing in the 3N as a part of a three way battle for SH supremacy is simply not accurate. The current team is not good and the coaching has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, this is not so surprizing. Australia suffer from having no local player base. This is why they go after NRL players. Sooner or latter they will need to select players base din Europe, even if the rule is to only allow one or two based there in the team it will be an improvement. Look at Australia's options to replace Mortlock. There are none. The options, in Australia, are Cross or Ashley-Cooper. One is a former league player and the other is a fullback. Another could have been Timana Tahu who is another league player. While the other option for 13 woiuld be Lote Tuqiri... yes a league player too. Australia cannot go on with no national competition. The Super 14 is not producing players, certainly not enough in different positions. Some of the Wallabies are poor. Burgess was outplayed to the extent that his international career should have ended in November 2008 when playing vs France. The reason he is still there is a lack of options. This is the same reason why John Connoly played Giteau at 9 in 2007. Barnes and Lakham were there to play flyhalf. Australia really need Mark Gasnier playing for them. Today he scored two tries for Stade Francais. SF were losing and looking like being badly beaten at one point but Gasnier played well to help his team win. He plays in France so can't represent Australia, despite being much better than Cross, et all. This will need to change, and may come under review, if Australia keep losing. There is no way that Tyrone Smith is better. If Australia don't use Gasnier then he could very well play for France. France would be using Brock James but he played sevens for Australia so cannot.

Could Australia's amateur players (no Super 14 players allowed whatsoever) play Canada and the USA in North America and win? I am not so sure. Well Argentina's Jaguars have done so this year. Argentina are moving towards a professional domestic competition. John O'Neill, cancelled Australia's after one year. Mr O'Neill is not doing Australia many favors. His handling of the ARU's international affairs is anti-expantionist in many ways. Australia need better relations with many rugby countries. Its all good and well to move a Bledisloe Cup match to China or Japan to make a profit but the domestic fans need variation and need to see the strenghts of more teams. Australia's low crowd vs France in June in Sydney was really shocking. Vs Wales in 2007 it was too. John O'Neill blamed the Welsh for not having all their top players yet a French team who had defeated New Zealand didn't sell ticked two weeks latter. Australia have not hosted Argentina since 2000 and have not played in Argentina since 2002. Here lies the problem. The fans are, in large part, clueless. This is shocking given that the ARU is in a four way war with rugby league, soccer and Australian rules football. Rugby's strength is that it is international, unlike league and aussie rules. Yet, Mr O'Neill seems to not understand this. He does so much harm to Australia's relations with others. He should be looking to build a future with the world power Argentina.

He should be wanting to act as a regional leader in the Pacific. Think back to the success of World Cup games in 2003 in Adelaide, Wollongong, Canberra, Gosford and Townsville. These venues sold out, or virtually sold out games including Ireland vs Argentina, France vs USA, Canada vs Italy and Japan vs Fiji. The ARU should be taking games to these places. It needs to host teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and Japan at these venues. Mr O'Neill pulled Australia 'A' out of the Pacific Nations Cup which made games like these that much more important. Australia needs to take games to the fans. Use these venues and make use of the year outside of the Super 14, Tri Nations and November / June internationals.

When Giteau was 12 the things were better for Australia. This is when the team scored tries. He should be playing here. Cooper was better at 10 but Brock James is what is missing. I have said so a few times already. Flyhalf play does not need to be a star like Carter or Hernandez. Wilkinson certainly has little play making skills compared to these guys, yet he controls play. Andy goode does too. He replaced a Giteau like player (Danny Cipriani) and England were better off. Organization is key at flyhalf. Brock James has this. Morne Steyn is a rubbish runner yet has this too. Why has Ronan O'Gara been the man for Ireland for so long? Cooper, Beale, O'Connor and Giteau are all immensely talented but most are better at other positions. The Wallaby backline is very unbalanced.

A balanced backline would be:

10 James
11 Ioane
12 Giteau
13 Gasnier
14 Mitchell
15 Ashley-Cooper[/b]

[/b][/quote]

:lol:

Priceless...

 

[Wally]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Melhor Time")

Why not kick Australia out of the 3N? They are not able to win afterall? I do not want them removed but the point is vivid for everybody to understand. Australia bing in the 3N as a part of a three way battle for SH supremacy is simply not accurate. The current team is not good and the coaching has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, this is not so surprizing. Australia suffer from having no local player base. This is why they go after NRL players. Sooner or latter they will need to select players base din Europe, even if the rule is to only allow one or two based there in the team it will be an improvement. Look at Australia's options to replace Mortlock. There are none. The options, in Australia, are Cross or Ashley-Cooper. One is a former league player and the other is a fullback. Another could have been Timana Tahu who is another league player. While the other option for 13 woiuld be Lote Tuqiri... yes a league player too. Australia cannot go on with no national competition. The Super 14 is not producing players, certainly not enough in different positions. Some of the Wallabies are poor. Burgess was outplayed to the extent that his international career should have ended in November 2008 when playing vs France. The reason he is still there is a lack of options. This is the same reason why John Connoly played Giteau at 9 in 2007. Barnes and Lakham were there to play flyhalf. Australia really need Mark Gasnier playing for them. Today he scored two tries for Stade Francais. SF were losing and looking like being badly beaten at one point but Gasnier played well to help his team win. He plays in France so can't represent Australia, despite being much better than Cross, et all. This will need to change, and may come under review, if Australia keep losing. There is no way that Tyrone Smith is better. If Australia don't use Gasnier then he could very well play for France. France would be using Brock James but he played sevens for Australia so cannot.

Could Australia's amateur players (no Super 14 players allowed whatsoever) play Canada and the USA in North America and win? I am not so sure. Well Argentina's Jaguars have done so this year. Argentina are moving towards a professional domestic competition. John O'Neill, cancelled Australia's after one year. Mr O'Neill is not doing Australia many favors. His handling of the ARU's international affairs is anti-expantionist in many ways. Australia need better relations with many rugby countries. Its all good and well to move a Bledisloe Cup match to China or Japan to make a profit but the domestic fans need variation and need to see the strenghts of more teams. Australia's low crowd vs France in June in Sydney was really shocking. Vs Wales in 2007 it was too. John O'Neill blamed the Welsh for not having all their top players yet a French team who had defeated New Zealand didn't sell ticked two weeks latter. Australia have not hosted Argentina since 2000 and have not played in Argentina since 2002. Here lies the problem. The fans are, in large part, clueless. This is shocking given that the ARU is in a four way war with rugby league, soccer and Australian rules football. Rugby's strength is that it is international, unlike league and aussie rules. Yet, Mr O'Neill seems to not understand this. He does so much harm to Australia's relations with others. He should be looking to build a future with the world power Argentina.

He should be wanting to act as a regional leader in the Pacific. Think back to the success of World Cup games in 2003 in Adelaide, Wollongong, Canberra, Gosford and Townsville. These venues sold out, or virtually sold out games including Ireland vs Argentina, France vs USA, Canada vs Italy and Japan vs Fiji. The ARU should be taking games to these places. It needs to host teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and Japan at these venues. Mr O'Neill pulled Australia 'A' out of the Pacific Nations Cup which made games like these that much more important. Australia needs to take games to the fans. Use these venues and make use of the year outside of the Super 14, Tri Nations and November / June internationals.

When Giteau was 12 the things were better for Australia. This is when the team scored tries. He should be playing here. Cooper was better at 10 but Brock James is what is missing. I have said so a few times already. Flyhalf play does not need to be a star like Carter or Hernandez. Wilkinson certainly has little play making skills compared to these guys, yet he controls play. Andy goode does too. He replaced a Giteau like player (Danny Cipriani) and England were better off. Organization is key at flyhalf. Brock James has this. Morne Steyn is a rubbish runner yet has this too. Why has Ronan O'Gara been the man for Ireland for so long? Cooper, Beale, O'Connor and Giteau are all immensely talented but most are better at other positions. The Wallaby backline is very unbalanced.

A balanced backline would be:

10 James
11 Ioane
12 Giteau
13 Gasnier
14 Mitchell
15 Ashley-Cooper[/b]

[/b][/quote]

:lol:

Priceless...

[/b][/quote]
Haha you are a ********. Do you actually think Deans wouldn't pick Gasnier if he could, considering Mortlock and Barnes are injured and Ashley-Cooper and Cross were terrible in defence / attack? I don't agree with selecting Brock James though, but that's just based on my preconceptions of him when he was playing in Australia. I haven't seen him since.

Does anyone think the Australian front row has come on in leaps and bounds since the Eddie Jones era? Line out has gone backwards though.

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Melhor Time")

Why not kick Australia out of the 3N? They are not able to win afterall? I do not want them removed but the point is vivid for everybody to understand. Australia bing in the 3N as a part of a three way battle for SH supremacy is simply not accurate. The current team is not good and the coaching has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, this is not so surprizing. Australia suffer from having no local player base. This is why they go after NRL players. Sooner or latter they will need to select players base din Europe, even if the rule is to only allow one or two based there in the team it will be an improvement. Look at Australia's options to replace Mortlock. There are none. The options, in Australia, are Cross or Ashley-Cooper. One is a former league player and the other is a fullback. Another could have been Timana Tahu who is another league player. While the other option for 13 woiuld be Lote Tuqiri... yes a league player too. Australia cannot go on with no national competition. The Super 14 is not producing players, certainly not enough in different positions. Some of the Wallabies are poor. Burgess was outplayed to the extent that his international career should have ended in November 2008 when playing vs France. The reason he is still there is a lack of options. This is the same reason why John Connoly played Giteau at 9 in 2007. Barnes and Lakham were there to play flyhalf. Australia really need Mark Gasnier playing for them. Today he scored two tries for Stade Francais. SF were losing and looking like being badly beaten at one point but Gasnier played well to help his team win. He plays in France so can't represent Australia, despite being much better than Cross, et all. This will need to change, and may come under review, if Australia keep losing. There is no way that Tyrone Smith is better. If Australia don't use Gasnier then he could very well play for France. France would be using Brock James but he played sevens for Australia so cannot.

Could Australia's amateur players (no Super 14 players allowed whatsoever) play Canada and the USA in North America and win? I am not so sure. Well Argentina's Jaguars have done so this year. Argentina are moving towards a professional domestic competition. John O'Neill, cancelled Australia's after one year. Mr O'Neill is not doing Australia many favors. His handling of the ARU's international affairs is anti-expantionist in many ways. Australia need better relations with many rugby countries. Its all good and well to move a Bledisloe Cup match to China or Japan to make a profit but the domestic fans need variation and need to see the strenghts of more teams. Australia's low crowd vs France in June in Sydney was really shocking. Vs Wales in 2007 it was too. John O'Neill blamed the Welsh for not having all their top players yet a French team who had defeated New Zealand didn't sell ticked two weeks latter. Australia have not hosted Argentina since 2000 and have not played in Argentina since 2002. Here lies the problem. The fans are, in large part, clueless. This is shocking given that the ARU is in a four way war with rugby league, soccer and Australian rules football. Rugby's strength is that it is international, unlike league and aussie rules. Yet, Mr O'Neill seems to not understand this. He does so much harm to Australia's relations with others. He should be looking to build a future with the world power Argentina.

He should be wanting to act as a regional leader in the Pacific. Think back to the success of World Cup games in 2003 in Adelaide, Wollongong, Canberra, Gosford and Townsville. These venues sold out, or virtually sold out games including Ireland vs Argentina, France vs USA, Canada vs Italy and Japan vs Fiji. The ARU should be taking games to these places. It needs to host teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and Japan at these venues. Mr O'Neill pulled Australia 'A' out of the Pacific Nations Cup which made games like these that much more important. Australia needs to take games to the fans. Use these venues and make use of the year outside of the Super 14, Tri Nations and November / June internationals.

When Giteau was 12 the things were better for Australia. This is when the team scored tries. He should be playing here. Cooper was better at 10 but Brock James is what is missing. I have said so a few times already. Flyhalf play does not need to be a star like Carter or Hernandez. Wilkinson certainly has little play making skills compared to these guys, yet he controls play. Andy goode does too. He replaced a Giteau like player (Danny Cipriani) and England were better off. Organization is key at flyhalf. Brock James has this. Morne Steyn is a rubbish runner yet has this too. Why has Ronan O'Gara been the man for Ireland for so long? Cooper, Beale, O'Connor and Giteau are all immensely talented but most are better at other positions. The Wallaby backline is very unbalanced.

A balanced backline would be:

10 James
11 Ioane
12 Giteau
13 Gasnier
14 Mitchell
15 Ashley-Cooper[/b]

[/b][/quote]

:lol:

Priceless...

[/b][/quote]
Haha you are a ********. Do you actually think Deans wouldn't pick Gasnier if he could, considering Mortlock and Barnes are injured and Ashley-Cooper and Cross were terrible in defence / attack? I don't agree with selecting Brock James though, but that's just based on my preconceptions of him when he was playing in Australia. I haven't seen him since.

Does anyone think the Australian front row has come on in leaps and bounds since the Eddie Jones era? Line out has gone backwards though.
[/b][/quote]

Yes, I'm assuming that Deans would pluck another has-been rugby league player from the French Top14 with little top level rugby experience to play for the Wallabies at outside centre.

 

[TRUE LEGND]

Why did they lose???

BEATEN BY A VERY GOOD TEAM

To be quite honest i cant even see the All Blacks stopping them

 

[Wally]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Melhor Time")

Why not kick Australia out of the 3N? They are not able to win afterall? I do not want them removed but the point is vivid for everybody to understand. Australia bing in the 3N as a part of a three way battle for SH supremacy is simply not accurate. The current team is not good and the coaching has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, this is not so surprizing. Australia suffer from having no local player base. This is why they go after NRL players. Sooner or latter they will need to select players base din Europe, even if the rule is to only allow one or two based there in the team it will be an improvement. Look at Australia's options to replace Mortlock. There are none. The options, in Australia, are Cross or Ashley-Cooper. One is a former league player and the other is a fullback. Another could have been Timana Tahu who is another league player. While the other option for 13 woiuld be Lote Tuqiri... yes a league player too. Australia cannot go on with no national competition. The Super 14 is not producing players, certainly not enough in different positions. Some of the Wallabies are poor. Burgess was outplayed to the extent that his international career should have ended in November 2008 when playing vs France. The reason he is still there is a lack of options. This is the same reason why John Connoly played Giteau at 9 in 2007. Barnes and Lakham were there to play flyhalf. Australia really need Mark Gasnier playing for them. Today he scored two tries for Stade Francais. SF were losing and looking like being badly beaten at one point but Gasnier played well to help his team win. He plays in France so can't represent Australia, despite being much better than Cross, et all. This will need to change, and may come under review, if Australia keep losing. There is no way that Tyrone Smith is better. If Australia don't use Gasnier then he could very well play for France. France would be using Brock James but he played sevens for Australia so cannot.

Could Australia's amateur players (no Super 14 players allowed whatsoever) play Canada and the USA in North America and win? I am not so sure. Well Argentina's Jaguars have done so this year. Argentina are moving towards a professional domestic competition. John O'Neill, cancelled Australia's after one year. Mr O'Neill is not doing Australia many favors. His handling of the ARU's international affairs is anti-expantionist in many ways. Australia need better relations with many rugby countries. Its all good and well to move a Bledisloe Cup match to China or Japan to make a profit but the domestic fans need variation and need to see the strenghts of more teams. Australia's low crowd vs France in June in Sydney was really shocking. Vs Wales in 2007 it was too. John O'Neill blamed the Welsh for not having all their top players yet a French team who had defeated New Zealand didn't sell ticked two weeks latter. Australia have not hosted Argentina since 2000 and have not played in Argentina since 2002. Here lies the problem. The fans are, in large part, clueless. This is shocking given that the ARU is in a four way war with rugby league, soccer and Australian rules football. Rugby's strength is that it is international, unlike league and aussie rules. Yet, Mr O'Neill seems to not understand this. He does so much harm to Australia's relations with others. He should be looking to build a future with the world power Argentina.

He should be wanting to act as a regional leader in the Pacific. Think back to the success of World Cup games in 2003 in Adelaide, Wollongong, Canberra, Gosford and Townsville. These venues sold out, or virtually sold out games including Ireland vs Argentina, France vs USA, Canada vs Italy and Japan vs Fiji. The ARU should be taking games to these places. It needs to host teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and Japan at these venues. Mr O'Neill pulled Australia 'A' out of the Pacific Nations Cup which made games like these that much more important. Australia needs to take games to the fans. Use these venues and make use of the year outside of the Super 14, Tri Nations and November / June internationals.

When Giteau was 12 the things were better for Australia. This is when the team scored tries. He should be playing here. Cooper was better at 10 but Brock James is what is missing. I have said so a few times already. Flyhalf play does not need to be a star like Carter or Hernandez. Wilkinson certainly has little play making skills compared to these guys, yet he controls play. Andy goode does too. He replaced a Giteau like player (Danny Cipriani) and England were better off. Organization is key at flyhalf. Brock James has this. Morne Steyn is a rubbish runner yet has this too. Why has Ronan O'Gara been the man for Ireland for so long? Cooper, Beale, O'Connor and Giteau are all immensely talented but most are better at other positions. The Wallaby backline is very unbalanced.

A balanced backline would be:

10 James
11 Ioane
12 Giteau
13 Gasnier
14 Mitchell
15 Ashley-Cooper[/b]

[/b][/quote]

:lol:

Priceless...

[/b][/quote]
Haha you are a ********. Do you actually think Deans wouldn't pick Gasnier if he could, considering Mortlock and Barnes are injured and Ashley-Cooper and Cross were terrible in defence / attack? I don't agree with selecting Brock James though, but that's just based on my preconceptions of him when he was playing in Australia. I haven't seen him since.

Does anyone think the Australian front row has come on in leaps and bounds since the Eddie Jones era? Line out has gone backwards though.
[/b][/quote]

Yes, I'm assuming that Deans would pluck another has-been rugby league player from the French Top14 with little top level rugby experience to play for the Wallabies at outside centre.

[/b][/quote]
You should see how many sleeping bills you can swallow with brandy.

 

[InsaneAsylum]

even though the wallabies lost last night, i enjoyed watching the game. i'll always have faith in the wallabies even though they are the failabies this year.

now that the trinations and bledisloe are locked away for another year, i'd like to see the following team from up next week (i'll probably get flamed for this)

1. robinson
2. polota-nau
3. alexander/baxter
4. Horwill
5. chisholm because sharpe is a soft cock
6. elsom
7. the man with the most ticker in world rugby
8. richard "i'm going to learn how to catch a f***ing ball" brown
9. genia because burgess has lost his mojo
10. cooper or some other flyhalf, but not kurtley beale
11. hynes
12. giteau
13. cross
14. turner/mitchell/preferably jonah lomu in his prime
15. two dads ashley cooper

this combo seemed to look like it worked last night, it could work again in brisbane, who knows but what i do know is playing the same people in the same position or out of position doesn't seem to be working, time to think outside the sqare.

the other thing that i noticed about the wallabies. it seems that they get the ball and don't know what to do with it. often i saw a player take the ball and end up going backwards because they seem to have so many options that they can't make a decision about which option is best.

 

[Wazimba2K]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (InsaneAsylum @ Aug 30 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

even though the wallabies lost last night, i enjoyed watching the game. i'll always have faith in the wallabies even though they are the failabies this year.

now that the trinations and bledisloe are locked away for another year, i'd like to see the following team from up next week (i'll probably get flamed for this)

1. robinson
2. polota-nau
3. alexander/baxter
4. Horwill
5. chisholm because sharpe is a soft cock
6. elsom
7. the man with the most ticker in world rugby
8. richard "i'm going to learn how to catch a f***ing ball" brown
9. genia because burgess has lost his mojo
10. cooper or some other flyhalf, but not kurtley beale
11. hynes
12. giteau
13. cross
14. turner/mitchell/preferably jonah lomu in his prime
15. two dads ashley cooper

this combo seemed to look like it worked last night, it could work again in brisbane, who knows but what i do know is playing the same people in the same position or out of position doesn't seem to be working, time to think outside the sqare.

the other thing that i noticed about the wallabies. it seems that they get the ball and don't know what to do with it. often i saw a player take the ball and end up going backwards because they seem to have so many options that they can't make a decision about which option is best.





Please explain why you chose Polota over Moore, Cooper at fly-half, Cross over anyone and why the 2 dad AAC comment?[/b]

 

[Fushitsusha]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Melhor Time")

Why not kick Australia out of the 3N? They are not able to win afterall? I do not want them removed but the point is vivid for everybody to understand. Australia bing in the 3N as a part of a three way battle for SH supremacy is simply not accurate. The current team is not good and the coaching has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, this is not so surprizing. Australia suffer from having no local player base. This is why they go after NRL players. Sooner or latter they will need to select players base din Europe, even if the rule is to only allow one or two based there in the team it will be an improvement. Look at Australia's options to replace Mortlock. There are none. The options, in Australia, are Cross or Ashley-Cooper. One is a former league player and the other is a fullback. Another could have been Timana Tahu who is another league player. While the other option for 13 woiuld be Lote Tuqiri... yes a league player too. Australia cannot go on with no national competition. The Super 14 is not producing players, certainly not enough in different positions. Some of the Wallabies are poor. Burgess was outplayed to the extent that his international career should have ended in November 2008 when playing vs France. The reason he is still there is a lack of options. This is the same reason why John Connoly played Giteau at 9 in 2007. Barnes and Lakham were there to play flyhalf. Australia really need Mark Gasnier playing for them. Today he scored two tries for Stade Francais. SF were losing and looking like being badly beaten at one point but Gasnier played well to help his team win. He plays in France so can't represent Australia, despite being much better than Cross, et all. This will need to change, and may come under review, if Australia keep losing. There is no way that Tyrone Smith is better. If Australia don't use Gasnier then he could very well play for France. France would be using Brock James but he played sevens for Australia so cannot.

Could Australia's amateur players (no Super 14 players allowed whatsoever) play Canada and the USA in North America and win? I am not so sure. Well Argentina's Jaguars have done so this year. Argentina are moving towards a professional domestic competition. John O'Neill, cancelled Australia's after one year. Mr O'Neill is not doing Australia many favors. His handling of the ARU's international affairs is anti-expantionist in many ways. Australia need better relations with many rugby countries. Its all good and well to move a Bledisloe Cup match to China or Japan to make a profit but the domestic fans need variation and need to see the strenghts of more teams. Australia's low crowd vs France in June in Sydney was really shocking. Vs Wales in 2007 it was too. John O'Neill blamed the Welsh for not having all their top players yet a French team who had defeated New Zealand didn't sell ticked two weeks latter. Australia have not hosted Argentina since 2000 and have not played in Argentina since 2002. Here lies the problem. The fans are, in large part, clueless. This is shocking given that the ARU is in a four way war with rugby league, soccer and Australian rules football. Rugby's strength is that it is international, unlike league and aussie rules. Yet, Mr O'Neill seems to not understand this. He does so much harm to Australia's relations with others. He should be looking to build a future with the world power Argentina.

He should be wanting to act as a regional leader in the Pacific. Think back to the success of World Cup games in 2003 in Adelaide, Wollongong, Canberra, Gosford and Townsville. These venues sold out, or virtually sold out games including Ireland vs Argentina, France vs USA, Canada vs Italy and Japan vs Fiji. The ARU should be taking games to these places. It needs to host teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and Japan at these venues. Mr O'Neill pulled Australia 'A' out of the Pacific Nations Cup which made games like these that much more important. Australia needs to take games to the fans. Use these venues and make use of the year outside of the Super 14, Tri Nations and November / June internationals.

When Giteau was 12 the things were better for Australia. This is when the team scored tries. He should be playing here. Cooper was better at 10 but Brock James is what is missing. I have said so a few times already. Flyhalf play does not need to be a star like Carter or Hernandez. Wilkinson certainly has little play making skills compared to these guys, yet he controls play. Andy goode does too. He replaced a Giteau like player (Danny Cipriani) and England were better off. Organization is key at flyhalf. Brock James has this. Morne Steyn is a rubbish runner yet has this too. Why has Ronan O'Gara been the man for Ireland for so long? Cooper, Beale, O'Connor and Giteau are all immensely talented but most are better at other positions. The Wallaby backline is very unbalanced.

A balanced backline would be:

10 James
11 Ioane
12 Giteau
13 Gasnier
14 Mitchell
15 Ashley-Cooper[/b]

[/b][/quote]

:lol:

Priceless...

[/b][/quote]
Haha you are a ********. Do you actually think Deans wouldn't pick Gasnier if he could, considering Mortlock and Barnes are injured and Ashley-Cooper and Cross were terrible in defence / attack? I don't agree with selecting Brock James though, but that's just based on my preconceptions of him when he was playing in Australia. I haven't seen him since.

Does anyone think the Australian front row has come on in leaps and bounds since the Eddie Jones era? Line out has gone backwards though.
[/b][/quote]

Yes, I'm assuming that Deans would pluck another has-been rugby league player from the French Top14 with little top level rugby experience to play for the Wallabies at outside centre.

[/b][/quote]
You should see how many sleeping bills you can swallow with brandy.
[/b][/quote]

Your infactuation with Gasnier is odd...

He has yet to put himself into a position where he could actually be considered an option for the Wallabies yet you think he's an automatic selection...

He's only in his second year of rugby...

He's mostly been playing on the wing...

He hasn't played in the Super 14 yet...

Outside centre is not a position that has generally highlighted the shortcomings of rugby league converts...

Maybe if he plays down here... at outside centre... and actually stands out in this game... then maybe he could be considered an option...

 

[Charles]

They lost because their forward pack is kak, and Burgess hasn't got a clue.
If you want to compete against SA you need a pack full of hard, mean ********. Obviously the wobbly set piece and numerous knock-ons didn't help either...

 

[InsaneAsylum]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wazimba2K @ Aug 30 2009, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Please explain why you chose Polota over Moore, Cooper at fly-half, Cross over anyone and why the 2 dad AAC comment?[/b]

polota-nau...moore...same **** really. not saying moore is crap, i'd just like to see polota-nau start.
well i put cooper at fly half because his twinkle toes and flashy play on saturday night actually seemed to work.
cross, well every time i've seen him play he has the ability to go forward which is not really a bad thing, and mortlock's knee is f***ed.

"two dads" is an australian coloquialism for anyone with a hyphenated surname, nothing to do specifically with adam ashley-cooper.
i call sir jo bejelke-petersen two dads as well

 

[Wally]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fushitsusha @ Aug 30 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Aug 30 2009, 03:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Melhor Time")

Why not kick Australia out of the 3N? They are not able to win afterall? I do not want them removed but the point is vivid for everybody to understand. Australia bing in the 3N as a part of a three way battle for SH supremacy is simply not accurate. The current team is not good and the coaching has nothing to do with this.

Seriously, this is not so surprizing. Australia suffer from having no local player base. This is why they go after NRL players. Sooner or latter they will need to select players base din Europe, even if the rule is to only allow one or two based there in the team it will be an improvement. Look at Australia's options to replace Mortlock. There are none. The options, in Australia, are Cross or Ashley-Cooper. One is a former league player and the other is a fullback. Another could have been Timana Tahu who is another league player. While the other option for 13 woiuld be Lote Tuqiri... yes a league player too. Australia cannot go on with no national competition. The Super 14 is not producing players, certainly not enough in different positions. Some of the Wallabies are poor. Burgess was outplayed to the extent that his international career should have ended in November 2008 when playing vs France. The reason he is still there is a lack of options. This is the same reason why John Connoly played Giteau at 9 in 2007. Barnes and Lakham were there to play flyhalf. Australia really need Mark Gasnier playing for them. Today he scored two tries for Stade Francais. SF were losing and looking like being badly beaten at one point but Gasnier played well to help his team win. He plays in France so can't represent Australia, despite being much better than Cross, et all. This will need to change, and may come under review, if Australia keep losing. There is no way that Tyrone Smith is better. If Australia don't use Gasnier then he could very well play for France. France would be using Brock James but he played sevens for Australia so cannot.

Could Australia's amateur players (no Super 14 players allowed whatsoever) play Canada and the USA in North America and win? I am not so sure. Well Argentina's Jaguars have done so this year. Argentina are moving towards a professional domestic competition. John O'Neill, cancelled Australia's after one year. Mr O'Neill is not doing Australia many favors. His handling of the ARU's international affairs is anti-expantionist in many ways. Australia need better relations with many rugby countries. Its all good and well to move a Bledisloe Cup match to China or Japan to make a profit but the domestic fans need variation and need to see the strenghts of more teams. Australia's low crowd vs France in June in Sydney was really shocking. Vs Wales in 2007 it was too. John O'Neill blamed the Welsh for not having all their top players yet a French team who had defeated New Zealand didn't sell ticked two weeks latter. Australia have not hosted Argentina since 2000 and have not played in Argentina since 2002. Here lies the problem. The fans are, in large part, clueless. This is shocking given that the ARU is in a four way war with rugby league, soccer and Australian rules football. Rugby's strength is that it is international, unlike league and aussie rules. Yet, Mr O'Neill seems to not understand this. He does so much harm to Australia's relations with others. He should be looking to build a future with the world power Argentina.

He should be wanting to act as a regional leader in the Pacific. Think back to the success of World Cup games in 2003 in Adelaide, Wollongong, Canberra, Gosford and Townsville. These venues sold out, or virtually sold out games including Ireland vs Argentina, France vs USA, Canada vs Italy and Japan vs Fiji. The ARU should be taking games to these places. It needs to host teams like Samoa, Fiji, Tonga and Japan at these venues. Mr O'Neill pulled Australia 'A' out of the Pacific Nations Cup which made games like these that much more important. Australia needs to take games to the fans. Use these venues and make use of the year outside of the Super 14, Tri Nations and November / June internationals.

When Giteau was 12 the things were better for Australia. This is when the team scored tries. He should be playing here. Cooper was better at 10 but Brock James is what is missing. I have said so a few times already. Flyhalf play does not need to be a star like Carter or Hernandez. Wilkinson certainly has little play making skills compared to these guys, yet he controls play. Andy goode does too. He replaced a Giteau like player (Danny Cipriani) and England were better off. Organization is key at flyhalf. Brock James has this. Morne Steyn is a rubbish runner yet has this too. Why has Ronan O'Gara been the man for Ireland for so long? Cooper, Beale, O'Connor and Giteau are all immensely talented but most are better at other positions. The Wallaby backline is very unbalanced.

A balanced backline would be:

10 James
11 Ioane
12 Giteau
13 Gasnier
14 Mitchell
15 Ashley-Cooper[/b]

[/b][/quote]

:lol:

Priceless...

[/b][/quote]
Haha you are a ********. Do you actually think Deans wouldn't pick Gasnier if he could, considering Mortlock and Barnes are injured and Ashley-Cooper and Cross were terrible in defence / attack? I don't agree with selecting Brock James though, but that's just based on my preconceptions of him when he was playing in Australia. I haven't seen him since.

Does anyone think the Australian front row has come on in leaps and bounds since the Eddie Jones era? Line out has gone backwards though.
[/b][/quote]

Yes, I'm assuming that Deans would pluck another has-been rugby league player from the French Top14 with little top level rugby experience to play for the Wallabies at outside centre.

[/b][/quote]
You should see how many sleeping bills you can swallow with brandy.
[/b][/quote]

Your infactuation with Gasnier is odd...

He has yet to put himself into a position where he could actually be considered an option for the Wallabies yet you think he's an automatic selection...

He's only in his second year of rugby...

He's mostly been playing on the wing...

He hasn't played in the Super 14 yet...

Outside centre is not a position that has generally highlighted the shortcomings of rugby league converts...

Maybe if he plays down here... at outside centre... and actually stands out in this game... then maybe he could be considered an option...
[/b][/quote]
What I said was if he was eligible right now and the logistics weren't impossible of course Deans would play him. Obviously he has to prove himself between now and the world cup before he becomes Australia's first choice outside centre. I've just stated that I believe he will do so.