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Will Dylan Hartley ever learn?
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<blockquote data-quote="j&#039;nuh" data-source="post: 828925" data-attributes="member: 55446"><p>Please read again, I am actually agreeing with you on all of these counts. I think he is illegally swinging his arm, he is doing it intentionally and that he does strike the head. Regardless of whether it is aimed at the head, it deserves some kind of punishment.</p><p></p><p>But I do not think he's trying to swing for SOB's head. He swings for a body shot - which is still illegal, but a much lesser offence - but accidentally connects with the head. See 22s in, keeping in mind it is in slow motion: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kvJy7dg9U&t=22s" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kvJy7dg9U&t=22s</a></p><p></p><p>Now suppose it was just a body shot, what would we be looking at? A yellow card and no ban arguably? Maybe a week or two? The question is - how much do you punish Hartley for the recklessness that led to his arm connecting with SOB's head? tbh, I'm okay with mid-end for this, where high-end is reserved for intentional or repeatedly smacking someone in the face.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, yeah possibly. I'm with you that punishments in general need reviewing, some sentences are too harsh, but more commonly, some are far too lenient. Guilty pleas cutting your sentence in half is ridiculous. My own personal pet bug: players serving half their punishment during breaks in the season, or through minor tournaments that they weren't going to be playing in anyway. There are improvements to be made.</p><p></p><p> re: guilty pleas, even for repeat offenders, I'd rather keep the guilty plea incentive. The point of it is that people who know they are guilty will take the plea and reduce their sentence, leaving only those with strong cases contesting their punishments. If you take the incentive away, people who are guilty and know themselves to be may contest their punishment aiming to get off on a technicality.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="j'nuh, post: 828925, member: 55446"] Please read again, I am actually agreeing with you on all of these counts. I think he is illegally swinging his arm, he is doing it intentionally and that he does strike the head. Regardless of whether it is aimed at the head, it deserves some kind of punishment. But I do not think he's trying to swing for SOB's head. He swings for a body shot - which is still illegal, but a much lesser offence - but accidentally connects with the head. See 22s in, keeping in mind it is in slow motion: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kvJy7dg9U&t=22s[/URL] Now suppose it was just a body shot, what would we be looking at? A yellow card and no ban arguably? Maybe a week or two? The question is - how much do you punish Hartley for the recklessness that led to his arm connecting with SOB's head? tbh, I'm okay with mid-end for this, where high-end is reserved for intentional or repeatedly smacking someone in the face. I mean, yeah possibly. I'm with you that punishments in general need reviewing, some sentences are too harsh, but more commonly, some are far too lenient. Guilty pleas cutting your sentence in half is ridiculous. My own personal pet bug: players serving half their punishment during breaks in the season, or through minor tournaments that they weren't going to be playing in anyway. There are improvements to be made. re: guilty pleas, even for repeat offenders, I'd rather keep the guilty plea incentive. The point of it is that people who know they are guilty will take the plea and reduce their sentence, leaving only those with strong cases contesting their punishments. If you take the incentive away, people who are guilty and know themselves to be may contest their punishment aiming to get off on a technicality. [/QUOTE]
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