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<blockquote data-quote="sanzar" data-source="post: 88395"><p>Those claims never disappear, but they're never straightforward either... The Aboriginal's claim for land rights in Australia is possibly the most valid of any land claim (carbon dating puts them here for over 40,000 years), but nevertheless we're mostly just telling em "stiff **** it's in the past". They won a couple key decision's here and there (like the recent land ***le claim over Perth), but nothing them gives them any real power over what little land they are given (and they only get it if it can't be mined or as a symbolic gesture).</p><p></p><p>The Tibetan's claim is a good point and they deserve to have their country back, but at the same time the Chinese claim the land was once their's before anyway, and that therefore they were simply taking back what they'd lost... Then of course there's Taiwan, the Chinese argue they should be able to invade and take back Taiwan, as it was only created as a proxy state for Chang Kaishek after the communist revolution (and was recognised as being the head of China by the UN untill several decades after WWII)? At the same time though, the Taiwanese would probably argue that 4000 years ago before the unifaction of China, that they were their own country anyway...</p><p></p><p>In conclusion, regarding your final point, the question could equally be posed "how long do a people have to live in a place before they can call it home?" The Chinese claim that Tibet was once there's anyway, but surely the Tibetan's had the land long enough to claim it was there's... Taiwan is now a legitimate country, and regardless of the nature of its creation, it's hard to say that the people living there shouldn't have any say it what happens to the place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sanzar, post: 88395"] Those claims never disappear, but they're never straightforward either... The Aboriginal's claim for land rights in Australia is possibly the most valid of any land claim (carbon dating puts them here for over 40,000 years), but nevertheless we're mostly just telling em "stiff **** it's in the past". They won a couple key decision's here and there (like the recent land ***le claim over Perth), but nothing them gives them any real power over what little land they are given (and they only get it if it can't be mined or as a symbolic gesture). The Tibetan's claim is a good point and they deserve to have their country back, but at the same time the Chinese claim the land was once their's before anyway, and that therefore they were simply taking back what they'd lost... Then of course there's Taiwan, the Chinese argue they should be able to invade and take back Taiwan, as it was only created as a proxy state for Chang Kaishek after the communist revolution (and was recognised as being the head of China by the UN untill several decades after WWII)? At the same time though, the Taiwanese would probably argue that 4000 years ago before the unifaction of China, that they were their own country anyway... In conclusion, regarding your final point, the question could equally be posed "how long do a people have to live in a place before they can call it home?" The Chinese claim that Tibet was once there's anyway, but surely the Tibetan's had the land long enough to claim it was there's... Taiwan is now a legitimate country, and regardless of the nature of its creation, it's hard to say that the people living there shouldn't have any say it what happens to the place. [/QUOTE]
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