Worrying news for Australian rugby...

[ratsapprentice]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...orm-rugby-league/story-fnp0lyn3-1227468567930

Pretty massive jump in tv money and salary cap for the NRL.

 

[TobesHodges]

Izzy and Sonny Bill right now..

 

[ratsapprentice]

Yeah, mate... that's a lot of cash to spend.

Does anyone know of a comparable bump in salary cap in other sports?

 

[Jaguares]

That's old news, mate. Long time ago the Mungo supporters are bragging about it on social networks. NSW has 10 professional League teams and just a professional Union team. The League has always been the dominant code in Australia and it's impossible that changes dramatically from one day to the other.

Despite all that, Aussie rugby has had a better performance than the South African rugby at Super Rugby level in the last years. Aussie Rugby should strengthen the NRC and strengthen their 5 SR franchises. Now the Rebels have private owners, no longer will be a waste of money for the ARU and the exodus of many top class players after the WC, there will be more money for young talents.

The Reds, Waratahs and Brumbies have hired many young players who are going to bear fruit in the coming years. The Australian Rugby doesn't need to be the number 1 code in their country to be the best in the world.

In the golden years of the Australian Rugby, League also was the dominant code. I heard that the English immigrants in Australia were from lower classes of the England's North and they adopted the League over the Union because allegedly League was the sport of the Northern working class and Union was the sport of the rich Southern.

 

[profitius]

It will have some negative impact. If they lost Folau alone it would be a blow. Theres the potential to lose more than a few players. If they manage to hang onto players they'll do so by increasing wages.

 

[Jaguares]

It will have some negative impact. If they lost Folau alone it would be a blow. Theres the potential to lose more than a few players. If they manage to hang onto players they'll do so by increasing wages.

Izzy Folau has signed a contract for three years, he will play Union for the best years of his career

 

[SelimNiai]

Izzy and Sonny Bill right now..

Sonny Bill has one of those nightclub stamps on his hand from the NRL to show he's paid his entry fee so the bouncers on the door can let him back in again

 

[Jaguares]

Sonny Bill has one of those nightclub stamps on his hand from the NRL to show he's paid his entry fee so the bouncers on the door can let him back in again

Yeah, Money-Ball Williams loves the money. What about Sam Burgess and Ben Te'o?

This is bad news for all Union supporters. I'd like to see players like Greg Inglis, Jarryd Hayne or Martin Taupau in our code

 

[Larksea]

equally for NZ rugby, more NRL scouts at first VX rugby matches in NZ, the NRL and the U20's competition in particular already steps in and intercepts a lot from the rugby production line in NZ.

 

[Jaguares]

equally for NZ rugby, more NRL scouts at first VX rugby matches in NZ, the NRL and the U20's competition in particular already steps in and intercepts a lot from the rugby production line in NZ.

Then ABs must leave the Wallabies win for some years, so the Mungo power won't increase

 

[TobesHodges]

Hayne is off to the NFL, forget NRL money..

 

[FlukeArtist]

They can throw all the money they want at that dull game.
Rugby will just end up throwing more at theirs.

 

[Jaguares]

Hayne is off to the NFL, forget NRL money..

I know, bud. Fox Australia is talking about him everyday but I think he will return to the NRL in few years

 

[Maverick1987]

They can throw all the money they want at that dull game.
Rugby will just end up throwing more at theirs.

Rugby union can't compete with rugby league in Australia . It's just a bigger sport there. This extra money floating around will more than likely spread the gulf between the 2 sports to be honest . Wouldn't be surprised if people like Folau went back to league for a huge pay rise

 

[ratsapprentice]

It's not even big stars or current S15 players that you should be concerned over - it's how much harder it's going to be to produce and retain junior union players.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

That's old news, mate. Long time ago the Mungo supporters are bragging about it on social networks. NSW has 10 professional League teams and just a professional Union team. The League has always been the dominant code in Australia and it's impossible that changes dramatically from one day to the other.

Despite all that, Aussie rugby has had a better performance than the South African rugby at Super Rugby level in the last years. Aussie Rugby should strengthen the NRC and strengthen their 5 SR franchises. Now the Rebels have private owners, no longer will be a waste of money for the ARU and the exodus of many top class players after the WC, there will be more money for young talents.

The Reds, Waratahs and Brumbies have hired many young players who are going to bear fruit in the coming years. The Australian Rugby doesn't need to be the number 1 code in their country to be the best in the world.

In the golden years of the Australian Rugby, League also was the dominant code. I heard that the English immigrants in Australia were from lower classes of the England's North and they adopted the League over the Union because allegedly League was the sport of the Northern working class and Union was the sport of the rich Southern.

As a conference, that statement would only be true for 2015 when looking at both log points and # of wins.

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But bad(ish) news for Union as whole, yes.

 

[Jaguares]

As a conference, that statement would only be true for 2015 when looking at both log points and # of wins.

..

But bad(ish) news for Union as whole, yes.

Let's say the performance was similar, it remains an Aussie rugby victory over South African rugby.

The average rating in OZ is 100k per Super Rugby game, while in SA is 600k per SR game, that's 6 times more. The crowds in SA are also much higher per game. Then SA has a lot more people involved in the game that OZ, SA has the Currie Cup with a lot of tradition while the Aussies are trying to establish their tournament (NRC). Under these conditions it's a victory of Aussie rugby. Uncrowded they compete on equal terms with SA at Super Rugby level.

If the NRL was an Union's competition, they would be the best team in the world. It's a shame because I as an Union supporter would like to see all NRL superathletes playing in our code. SBW and Izzy Folau were adapted quickly in our code and became in superstars in just seconds. So too much talent in the NRL that could easily shine in our code

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Let's say the performance was similar, it remains an Aussie rugby victory over South African rugby.

The average rating in OZ is 100k per Super Rugby game, while in SA is 600k per SR game, that's 6 times more. The crowds in SA are also much higher per game. Then SA has a lot more people involved in the game that OZ, SA has the Currie Cup with a lot of tradition while the Aussies are trying to establish their tournament (NRC). Under these conditions it's a victory of Aussie rugby. Uncrowded they compete on equal terms with SA at Super Rugby level.

If the NRL was an Union's competition, they would be the best team in the world. It's a shame because I as an Union supporter would like to see all NRL superathletes playing in our code. SBW and Izzy Folau were adapted quickly in our code and became in superstars in just seconds. So too much talent in the NRL that could easily shine in our code

It's true Aus do remarkably well in Union given the hnd they are dealt with but Aus have it over SA on other scores though; socio-economic factors have a big impact on sports performance. then again they get in Union players developed through other countries which we largely don't except for the odd Zimbabwean or Namibian once every 5 years. But I didn't mean to start comparisons. I just felt the statement I orignially highlighted was erroneous.

The only area IMO Aus seems to suffer for not having Union as as big a priority as other sporting codes is in the tight 5. Those are key specialist positions and ones guys that don't always fit into the typical mold of 'sport star' tend to fill best. That you are only gonna sort out at grass roots level unless you rely heavily on 'imported' players.

I too would be glad for the best sports people to all feature in Union and all nations to box on an equal footing. But we aren't going to get that sadly. Every country have their own unique issues to sort out.

 

[Jaguares]

The only area IMO Aus seems to suffer for not having Union as as big a priority as other sporting codes is in the tight 5. Those are key specialist positions and ones guys that don't always fit into the typical mold of 'sport star' tend to fill best. That you are only gonna sort out at grass roots level unless you rely heavily on 'imported' players.

I know the differences between the tight-five positions in Union and League. For that reason most of the NRL players who switch to Union play at the backline. Scrum, line-out, rucking and mauls are thing that don't exist in the League World buuut look at the example of Brad Thorn, a League forward who can play as Union forward. So the NRL forwards have the talent and athletic ability to be Union forwards. That's the point.

Of course many countries could be better with more resources but there are some countries with athletes who have the necessary physical capacities to play Union in no time, and they in my opinion are: USA (NFL players), Australia (NRL players) and Canada (CFL players). They have the right athletes to our sport, other countries like China or India would take many more years, even decades, to be a power in rugby.

In this imaginary play, Australia has the advantage that the League is a loosening of the Union, then their athletes are more familiar to our code. The ball is almost the same, the tackles are similar, the passing technique is the same, etc.

 

[RoosTah]

equally for NZ rugby, more NRL scouts at first VX rugby matches in NZ, the NRL and the U20's competition in particular already steps in and intercepts a lot from the rugby production line in NZ.

It'll go further than that mate.

Longer term the NRL are looking to have 3 teams from NZ - Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch.

This will achieve two key goals - to increase the value of TV rights in NZ and make the New Zealand Kiwis a much stronger international team that will make test series v the Kangaroos rival Origin for rivalry and public interest.

In terms of Union in Australia, Conrad is right that Union has never competed with League really; it's always been niche. But this will still be a blow. 10 years ago people in Rugby thought the NRL would die a slow death after all their internal divisions and Super Rugby would be bigger than the NRL. Now the NRL is worth 10 times what the ARU gets from Super Rugby, and the ARU are trying to manage a new national competition that still costs more money than it makes.

There are some positive signs here and there, but League is just miles ahead now.