Worst three players to lose from your Squad for the RWC.

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  1. Mrs. Peter Quinn

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    Ben Youngs is the worst player who we could lose from our world squad.

    I *may* have interpreted the question quite literally...
     
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    For SA Handre Pollard is near irreplacable at this stage. He has some way to go still to deliver on his 'promise' and get into contention in any sort of world XV discussions but for SA the drop from him to Jantjies is pretty massive.

    From there the waters get a little muddy. This time last year I'd have said Faf de Klerk but Herschel is having a golden year and Reinach is pretty close to being a like for like replacement for Faf with Faf being a tad off it since that knock to the head.

    Its kinda crazy putting forward a loosies name considering our depth but with Marcel Coetzee already ruled out and Jaco Kriel unavailable we don't have the depth beyond our top 4 (Kolisi/Vermeulen/PSdT/Louw). Of those my intitial reaction is Kolisi because of his captaincy but I think Vermeulen actually has more arguments in his favor in a RWC context.

    Then I would nominate Willie le Roux at 15 as our 3rd most imporant player mostly just due to lack of depth.
     
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    But we don't have a lack of depth at 15 though. Cheslin Kolbe, Jesse Kriel and Warrick Gelant are all very good fullbacks, plus we have Frans Steyn there too. I think this is one position we are pretty well looked after.

    I saw an article over the weekend suggesting that Schalk Brits might be used as a loose forward against teams like Canada and Namibia to give guys like Kolisi, PSDT and Vermeulen some rest. Now I don't know if that's such a good idea, especially since Marx has been a bit off, so Bongi's availability is paramount. If either Marx or Bongi gets hurt, and Schalk has to play out of position, we sit with the situation that we might have to call up Scarra. I would be more comfortable if someone like Elstadt or Van Staden gets rather called up, and Schalk remains at cover for Hooker.
     
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    Is it supposed to be the three worst, assuming you actually only lose one of them? Or do you lose all three at once?

    If the latter then

    Mounga b. barret and j moody

    We would be stuffed if we lost both mounga and b.barret
     
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    I'd beg to differ. Moving Kolbe from 14 would leave us worse off there. Same with Kriel at 13 though less so as I am fine with Am. I for one wouldn't want to see Steyn at any place bar 12. He is just too slow for 15 and too gangly for 10. Gelant for me is a fine stand in but I still feel he hasn't quite made that step up yet but I can see it happen in time.
     
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    I get that too. I'm just saying that should the worst happen, Willie is easier to be replaced than other positions. Plus we have the luxury of having guys like Willemse, Bosch, Blommetjies and dare I say it, Andries Coetzee here in SA to also slot in at fullback. Perhaps even SP Marais or Dillyn Leyds.
     
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    Youngs, Cole and Francis

    Oh wait that's not what you meant by worst 3 players to lose?

    EDIT didn't check to the end of the thread before commenting. I am disappointed I was beaten to the pedantic literal interpretation of this and thus lost out on valuable likes :(
     
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    3 worst loses for us on current form would be James Ryan, Stockdale and Henderson.
     
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    Dont agree with Savea, sure great player but we have Cane and Todd, sure Savea carries well but he doesn't offload or link much, when we have Savea at 6 or 8 we lose a genuine lineout option. Savea and cane are both winning turnovers, Todd will too. I also dont like him at 8 while he carries well from the back he's not as confident with the ball at his feet as Read, Read is great at lineout time, Read is the teams attacking restart expert, Savea is not. Cane and Read are dominant taclkers Savea is not to that same level. Savea is a very good defender, but he doesn't stop runners or meet them like Read and Cane can and that is the most important job of the 7 in the big games. Not saying Savea isn't a great player he is. But we have 3 world class 7's and of the 3 Savea is not known for the "dark arts" we associate for 7's, he's better in open play for sure.

    Moody is a good point easily top 5 but I do think we have very good depth at prop, the guys we have did awesome in super rugby just lacking test experience. Better depth at prop than we do for first five imo :(
     
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    Some good points, and yeah our third best loosehead is probably better than our third best first five.

    Honestly the fact that savea is not known for the dark arts doesn’t mean he isn’t World class at them. It’s simply that people have put him in the ball carrier box so don’t see the rest, combined with the fact he has improved incredibly quickly at the dark arts. When he has played seven at international and super rugby this year and last he has been better than any at the dark arts. When he has played at 6 for the all blacks this year he hasn’t been hugely involved in the dark arts but that has been more because it hasn’t been his role as much, combined with a trio that were still finding their feet together.
     
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    I would put May pretty high whilst other options are fine, do any of them offer the aerial presence or relentless chasing May does, the England side are not exactly scared of a few kicks...
     
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    Mo'unga/Barrett: Absolutely the last people we want getting injured. The drop off to the next best 10s after these 2 is HUGE and obviously we only have the 2 of them in Japan, so losing one would be very bad.

    Savea: The best player in NZ right now (and the world imo) and has been all year. The difference this guy makes to any team he plays for is unmatched, and his form right now is phenomenal. He does absolutely everything you'd expect a world class flanker to do - Great breakdown work, great defender, huge engine, always involved..... but on top of that he's the most devastating running forward in the world. Literally always makes meters and eats up multiple defenders per run creating momentum and space for the next phase which opens up a lot of opportunities for the ABs with our quick ruck ball - opportunites that no one else can provide to the same effect. Also has the skillset and speed of a midfield back....... and covers all 3 loose forward postions! Overall an absolute freakish player, our current MVP. Wouldn't be surprised to see him become the player of the tournament. Would be a massive loss no matter how you look at it.

    Read: Has recently rediscovered the form that made him the best 8 in the world...... definitely not the player he once was, but his value to the team is undeniable, for a number of factors. Other than the fact that he's a great player and in his best form in years, he's the only true 8 we have at the world cup. Sure, Savea could fill in if he went down and do a great job, but that would mean they ABs have to change a lot of the way they play as Savea is very different to Read and is not a specialist. It would also mean we need a 6 replacement, and we don't have a proven one.... except for Squire, but he's not in Japan. And, of course, the obvious reason is the fact that he's our set in stone captain, making him crucial to our overall performance in many ways. No one else in the squad has any considerable experience leading the ABs, Read really has been the guy in terms of leadership and responsibility for the last 4 years.

    Very honorable mention to Sam Whitelock, with Retallick already down he would be a massive loss.
     
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