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A team of players born in a given country who played for other countries.

Below team was born in New zealand

Mako vunipola
Dylan hartley
Ben tameifuna
Sam lousi
Luke thompson
Michael jones
Martin leslie
Michael leitch
Graeme bachop
Quade cooper
Silosi tagicakibau
John leslie
Alapati leiua
Lome faatau
Isa nacewa

The other way around, for new zealand
(brackets indicate when they came to New zealand)

?
?
Olo brown (young I think)
Vaea Fifita (adult, couldn't speak English very well when he joined the all blacks)
Charles reichelman (young I think)
Jerry Collins (young child)
Rodney sooialo (not sure)
Isotolo Maka (not sure)
Steve devine (adult)
Andrew mehrtens (young child)
Sitivebi sivivatu (adult)
Alama ieremia (adult)
Malakai fekitoa (adult)
Joe rokocoko (young teen)
Malili muliaina (young child)

Although i couldn't quite make a full team, we look to have got the better deal, though many came to new Zealand under age 10.
 

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Gonna try to do this without guys like Luke McGrath and ROG who were less than a year old when their parents moved home.

1. Tom Court (Aus)
2. Richardt Strauss (SA)
3. Michael Bent (NZ)
4. Dion O'Cuinneagan (SA)
5. Jean Kleyn (SA)
6. Robbie Diack (SA)
7. Keith Gleeson (Aus)
8. CJ Stander (SA)
9. Isaac Boss (NZ)
10. Joey Carbery (NZ)
11. James Lowe (NZ)
12. Bundee Aki (NZ)
13. Will Addison (Eng)
14. Simon Geoghegan (Eng)
15. Jared Payne (NZ)

Some good, some bad, some ugly, some Irish.

Gleeson is a weird case, born here, moved and lived in Aus until he was 22.

And the other one...

Kyran Bracken... Those "yanks" in the RWC... Trevor Brennans young fella who played for France u20
 

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A team of players born in a given country who played for other countries.

Below team was born in New zealand

Mako vunipola
Dylan hartley
Ben tameifuna
Sam lousi
Luke thompson
Michael jones
Martin leslie
Michael leitch
Graeme bachop
Quade cooper
Silosi tagicakibau
John leslie
Alapati leiua
Lome faatau
Isa nacewa

The other way around, for new zealand
(brackets indicate when they came to New zealand)

?
?
Olo brown (young I think)
Vaea Fifita (adult, couldn't speak English very well when he joined the all blacks)
Charles reichelman (young I think)
Jerry Collins (young child)
Rodney sooialo (not sure)
Isotolo Maka (not sure)
Steve devine (adult)
Andrew mehrtens (young child)
Sitivebi sivivatu (adult)
Alama ieremia (adult)
Malakai fekitoa (adult)
Joe rokocoko (young teen)
Malili muliaina (young child)

Although i couldn't quite make a full team, we look to have got the better deal, though many came to new Zealand under age 10.
Fekitoa was 15 when he came to nz, hardly an adult
 

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Fekitoa was 15 when he came to nz, hardly an adult
Ok, I was just remembering that they had to wait for him to become eligible.

I also missed ofa, he can play loosehead. Got any hookers I’ve missed for my team? I don’t think there are, there haven’t really been a huge number of hookers playing for the all blacks in the last 30 years or so

edit: Saimoni taumoepeau played loosehead for the all blacks and had played hooker for the blues. He can fill the hooker spot, kinda
 
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OK for England we have:

1. Mako Vunipola (NZ)
2. Dylan Hartley (NZ)
3. Matt Stevens (SA)
4. Mouritz Botha (SA)
5. Simon Shaw (Kenya)
6. Brad Shields (NZ)
7. Steffon Armitage (T&T)
8. Billy Vunipola (Aus)
9. Willi Heinz (NZ)
10. Mike Catt (SA)
11. Marland Yarde (St. Lucia)
12. Riki Flutey (NZ)
13. Manu Tuilagi (Sam)
14. Semesa Rokoduguni (Fiji)
15. Delon Armitage (T&T)

Obviously a few more I could have included ...

The other way around is trickier ...

1. ?
2. ?
3. Tomas Francis (Wal)
4. Luke Charteris (Wal)
5. Sam Skinner (Sco)
6. Sam Warburton (Wal)
7. Hamish Watson (Sco)
8. Jake Polledri (Ita)
9. Ali Price (Sco)
10. Billy Burns (Ire)*
11. George North (Wal)
12. Nick Tompkins (Wal)
13. Jonathan Davies (Wal)
14. Hallam Amos (Wal)
15. Will Addison (Ire)

*I know Burns isn’t capped but he has been called up by Ireland.
 

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The other way around is trickier ...

1. ?
2. ?

*I know Burns isn’t capped but he has been called up by Ireland.

Dave Hilton was a loose head. I'm stuck for a hooker though.
 

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Cardiff isn't in England! :p
Stick Ryan Wilson (Sco) there instead

I always thought he was English born, but actually it’s an English father ...

Lydiate or Shingler are other candidates at 6.

Literally anyone but Ryan Wilson.
 
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Going to see if I can manage an England XV without copying any of BPM's! One wikipedia-google trek later:

1. Alec Hepburn (Aus)
2. Samson Ma'asi (Tonga)... I think?
3. Paul Hill (Germany)
4. Mitch Lees (Aus)... Played for the Saxons, and hasn't retired, but I'm struggling for locks!
5.
6. Dave Ewers (Zimbabwe)
7. Sam Underhill (USA)
8. Don Armand (Zimbabwe)
9. Joe Simpson (Aus)
10. Manu Vunipola (New Zealand)
11. Charlie Sharples (Hong Kong)
12. Brad Barritt (RSA)
13. Ben T'eo (New Zealand)
14. Joe Cokanisinga (Fiji)
15.

They've all played for England in some way shape or form, but I can't fill those last gaps!

As for the England players in other countries, BPM, you could have Alex Allan (Sco) or WillGrif John (Wal) at Loosehead, but I can't find a hooker
 

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Going to see if I can manage an England XV without copying any of BPM's! One wikipedia-google trek later:

1. Alec Hepburn (Aus)
2. Samson Ma'asi (Tonga)... I think?
3. Paul Hill (Germany)
4. Mitch Lees (Aus)... Played for the Saxons, and hasn't retired, but I'm struggling for locks!
5.
6. Dave Ewers (Zimbabwe)
7. Sam Underhill (USA)
8. Don Armand (Zimbabwe)
9. Joe Simpson (Aus)
10. Manu Vunipola (New Zealand)
11. Charlie Sharples (Hong Kong)
12. Brad Barritt (RSA)
13. Ben T'eo (New Zealand)
14. Joe Cokanisinga (Fiji)
15.

They've all played for England in some way shape or form, but I can't fill those last gaps!

As for the England players in other countries, BPM, you could have Alex Allan (Sco) or WillGrif John (Wal) at Loosehead, but I can't find a hooker

Mike Catt (SA) played full back if that helps
 

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Going to see if I can manage an England XV without copying any of BPM's! One wikipedia-google trek later:

1. Alec Hepburn (Aus)
2. Samson Ma'asi (Tonga)... I think?
3. Paul Hill (Germany)
4. Mitch Lees (Aus)... Played for the Saxons, and hasn't retired, but I'm struggling for locks!
5.
6. Dave Ewers (Zimbabwe)
7. Sam Underhill (USA)
8. Don Armand (Zimbabwe)
9. Joe Simpson (Aus)
10. Manu Vunipola (New Zealand)
11. Charlie Sharples (Hong Kong)
12. Brad Barritt (RSA)
13. Ben T'eo (New Zealand)
14. Joe Cokanisinga (Fiji)
15.

They've all played for England in some way shape or form, but I can't fill those last gaps!

As for the England players in other countries, BPM, you could have Alex Allan (Sco) or WillGrif John (Wal) at Loosehead, but I can't find a hooker

Some good shouts in there. WillGriff John is a tighthead though and as he hasn’t actually played for Wales yet, I went for Francis.

I think it’s a little unfair to pick uncapped age grade players as there’s no guarantee they’ll play for the senior side.

There’s a few others who have been capped I can think of though: Alex Corbisiero (USA), Victor Obogu (Nigeria), Hendrie Fourie (SA), Thomas Waldrom (NZ), Dewi Morris (Wal), Shontayne Hape (NZ), Stuart Abbott (SA), Steve Ojomoh (Nigeria), Lesley Vainikolo (Tonga), Nick Abendanon (South Africa)

Pleasing to see we rarely make imports in some positions.
 
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Going to see if I can manage an England XV without copying any of BPM's! One wikipedia-google trek later:

1. Alec Hepburn (Aus)
2. Samson Ma'asi (Tonga)... I think?
3. Paul Hill (Germany)
4. Mitch Lees (Aus)... Played for the Saxons, and hasn't retired, but I'm struggling for locks!
5.
6. Dave Ewers (Zimbabwe)
7. Sam Underhill (USA)
8. Don Armand (Zimbabwe)
9. Joe Simpson (Aus)
10. Manu Vunipola (New Zealand)
11. Charlie Sharples (Hong Kong)
12. Brad Barritt (RSA)
13. Ben T'eo (New Zealand)
14. Joe Cokanisinga (Fiji)
15.

They've all played for England in some way shape or form, but I can't fill those last gaps!

As for the England players in other countries, BPM, you could have Alex Allan (Sco) or WillGrif John (Wal) at Loosehead, but I can't find a hooker
I haven’t heard of half these players, but I’m particularly interested in manu vinipola at 10. Did you figure you could cross the loosehead mako vunipola with the centre many tuilagi and get a flyhalf? Not sure it works like that:p
 

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