Your 31 man Squad and Starting 15 for Your country in the Rugby World Cup 2019 guys part 2 :)

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  1. Bill

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    Is there anything that stops a union from taking 40 players, paying them as squad members, have them all participate in training etc, but with only 31 as official squad members until someone gets injured ?
     
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    Teams usually have an extended training squad of around 50 guys prior to the World Cup. But then only 31 can go to the World Cup. This is due to regulations, and also due to limited accomodation at some venues.

    But there's always a group of about 10-15 guys on standby who may be called up in case a player is so severely injured that he won't participate in the World Cup at all.

    Anyway here's my Springbok squad as it stands now:

    1. Stephen Kitshoff
    2. Malcolm Marx
    3. Coenie Oosthuizen
    4. Eben Etzebeth
    5. RG Snyman
    6. Siya Kolisi
    7. Pieter-Steph Du Toit
    8. Duane Vermeulen

    9. Faf De Klerk
    10. Handre Pollard
    11. Aphiwe Dyanthi
    12. Andre Esterhuizen
    13. Jesse Kriel
    14. Cheslin Kolbe
    15. Willie Le Roux

    16. Schalk Brits
    17. Thomas Du Toit
    18. Wilco Louw
    19. Lood De Jager
    20. Jean-Luc Du Preez
    21. Embrose Papier
    22. Elton Jantjies
    23. Damian Willemse

    24. Trevor Nyakane
    25. Beast Mtawarira
    26. Akker van der Merwe
    27. Marco van Staden
    28. Ivan van Zyl
    29. Damian De Allende
    30. Roscoe Specman
    31. Warrick Gelant
     
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    1. Karl
    2. Coles
    3. Lomax
    4. Retallick
    5. Whitelock
    6. Barrett
    7. Savea
    8. Read
    9. Smith
    10. Barrett
    11. Ione
    12. Alb
    13. Goodhue
    14. Naholo
    15. Smith
    16. Moody
    17. Taylor
    18. Franks
    19. Romano
    20. Cane
    21. Perenara
    22. Mo’unga
    23. Crotty

    Tuungafasi
    Harris
    Todd
    Squire
    Ttt
    Parker ( I think we can get him to sign to a province given Sunwolves are on the out)
    Laumape
    Nanai
     
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    You make some good points in your justifications but ...I think the rule is that if you replace a player they can’t come back into the squad, so there is extra risk in specialist positions if you were to have short term injuries. For example, say Aaron Smith got injured in the first game but was expected to be available by the final. With your squad you’d only be playing with one halfback in the quarter and semi finals, with no one else remotely able to play there. That means Perenara would play 80 mins of every game? And that if Perenara were to get injured you’d have to play the rest of the game with say Mo’unga at halfback in a semifinal? The other option is you send Aaron home and replace him, but you can’t bring him back for the final. I agree that at 9 and 10 there is a gulf between the top 2 and what comes after, but that to me is more reason to bring in a third to protect them .
     
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    Aah didn’t see this before I posted. Tuungafasi can play both sides. Are you sure Jordie has played at ten for the canes?
     
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    I'm pretty sure there's a rule against that.
     
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    I like the way you’ve looked at the half back situation, where if one is out they’re out for good effectively. Ach it’s tough, and I agree that Tahuriorangi would be 3rd choice, and so perhaps sacrificing another outside back (Havili in this case) or a centre (which I think would have to be crotty or laumape) would have to be the ones missing out.

    On Jordie I recall him ending a game there last but can’t recall who against (BB wasn’t playing if that is any help). He has done it age group though I do know.

    Was listening to the short ball with Ali Williams today and he’s still on the Nonu train, which is interesting. He was also suggesting JB could fill in at 10,

    Alternatively we take Richie as our main 10, Bender at 15, BB as 22/3 and take along another 10 (Otere Black for me) and drop JB altogether. 31 is not a big squad!!!!
     
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    The trouble with doing an England 31, is that they could have the best 30 players in the world, but with Farrell at fly half, it doesn't matter who else you pick, because he doesn't have the bottle at international level to get to the final.
     
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    Wales:

    01 Nicky Smith
    02 Ken Owens
    03 Tomos Francis
    04 Cory Hill
    05 AWJ
    06 Josh Navidi
    07 Justin Tipuric
    08 Taulupe Faletau

    09 Rhys Webb
    10 Gareth Anscombe
    11 Josh Adams
    12 Hadleigh Parkes
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    14 George North
    15 Liam Williams

    16 Elliot Dee
    17 Rob Evans
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    23 Owen Watkin

    24 Ryan Elias
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    31 Leigh Halfpenny

    Talking points for me would be whether we drop Jake Ball, using Shingler as emergency second row cover and take an additional loose forward e.g. Cubby or Wainwright. Will Webb make himself available? If not then it's between Aled Davies (who was excellent for the O's out in SA) and Rhodri Williams. Patchell or Jarrod Evan's as third 10? Patch needs to show he's back close to his best this weekend. Owen Lane covers centre and wing, could force his way into the 23 shirt by the WC as a result. Amos unlucky to miss out, but injuries have wrecked his season.
     
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    My prediction of England's (with strength marks) :

    M Vunipola 9
    Genge 7
    Moon 6
    Sinckler 8
    Cole 7
    Williams 4
    George 7
    Hartley 7
    LCD 4
    Lawes 9
    Itoje 9
    Kruis 8
    Launchbury 7
    Robshaw 7
    Curry 9
    Underhill 8
    B Vunipola 8
    Wilson 7

    Youngs 6
    Spencer 5
    Wigglesworth 5
    Farrell 4
    Ford 7
    Tuilagi 7
    Slade 7
    Joseph 6
    May 9
    Nowell 8
    Daly 7
    Watson 7
    Goode 7


    On standby :
    Marler (7), Singleton (4), ?(4), Hughes (6), Shields (7), Simmonds (7), Care (5), Teo (5), Cokanasinga (7), Brown (7)
     
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    I'm not convinced on Nonu at this stage. he simply isn't as agile, sharp, and fit anymore. he is a freak, so he still has immense explosive power whcih is crazy for his age, or any age really. But he has made some defensive errors and his passing hasn't been accurate (nothing horrendous, just regularly a foot or so off, instead of being nicely out in front of the man) and i worry he will run out of steam. But I'll be happy to change my mind if he continues to prove himself.

    On the third first five situation, I think we have to wait and see how the rest of the super rugby season plays out. I would hope that if Jordie was an option that the message would be given to the canes coaches to give him some game time there; instead, TJ was the reserve first five in their game last night, which might mean the All Blacks coaches want to look at him as an option. Jordie at the moment is also just a risk in general, in any position. he does too many stupid things. if he improves on that, and gets game time at 10 that would be great. I like Otere Black, but he just doesn't have the ability to get enough distance on his territorial kicks to be a test level player, imo. I know cruden didn;t get much distance at the start of his career, but he was very special in otehr areas. Josh Ione might continue to improve.
     
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    Not a bad shout
    Only changes i would make
    Care far wiggy
    Cips for goode or watson
     
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    My 31 for Los Pumas:

    1: Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro (Mayco Vivas)
    2: Agustin Creevy (Julian Montoya)
    3: Juan Figallo (Ramiro Herrera)

    4: Guido Petti (Mariano Galarza)
    5: Tomas Lavanini (Matias Alemanno)

    6: Pablo Matera (Tomas Lezana as back up for 6 &7)
    7: Marcos Kremer
    8: Facundo Isa (Javier Ortega Desio)

    9: Tomas Cubelli (Gonzalo Bertranou)
    10: Nicolas Sanchez (Patricio Fernandez)

    11: Ramiro Moyano (Juan Imhoff)
    12:: Jeronimo De la Fuente (Juan Pablo Socino)
    13: Matias Moroni (Matias Orlando)
    14: Bautista Delguy (Santiago Cordero)
    15: Emiliano Boffelli (Joaquin Tuculet)

    N°31: as 5th prop Lucas Noguera Paz or Santiago Medrano.
     
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    My team for Italy:-
    1) Nicola Quaglio (Andrea Lovotti)
    2) Leonardo Ghilardini (Luca Bigi)
    3) Simone Ferrari (Tiziano Pasquale)
    4) David Sisi (Dean Budd)
    5) Federico Ruzza (Alessandro Zanni)
    6) Braam Steyn (Sebastian Negri)
    7) Jake Polledri (Maxime Mbanda)
    8) Sergio Parrise (Jimmy Tutivati)
    9) Tito Tebaldi (Marcello Violi)
    10) Tommy Allen (Antonio Rizzi)
    11) Mattia Bellini (Leonardo Sarto)
    12) Luca Morisi (Tommaso Castello)
    13) Michele Campagnaro (Marco Zannon)
    14) Angelo Esposito (Luca Sperandio)
    15) Matteo Minozzi (Jayden Hayward)
    16) Half Back Replacement - Callum Braley
     
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    I agree with both of you but I think Coach Hansen has something up his sleeve for us like moving Jordie Barrett into the emergency 9/10 positions. Were deep at Centre with SBW and Nonu not even mentioned as possibilities. The selection committee loves SBW and he will be in Japan. Nonu I believe will get Dmac's spot on the foundation 41 list but will he make it to Tokyo? I think its a tough decision but I honestly believe NZ could field 2 World cup teams and those teams would play each other in the finals. I'd Happily give up my USA teams slot for a chance at NZ immortality. You wanna talk about a gap look at the players omitted from the foundation 41 team and tell me I'm wrong.
    David Havili, Matt Proctor, Tim Perry, Luke Romano, Dillon Hunt, Jeffery To’omaga-Allen, Gareth Evans, Mitchell Drummond, Elliot Dixon, Brett Cameron, Kane Hames, Brad Weber, James Parsons, and Augustine Pulu, Ma'a Nonu, Bryn Hall, Asafo Aumua, Atu Moli, Ricky Riccitelli, Matt Duffie and Reuben O’Neill, Nehe Milner-Skudder and David Papalii, Otere Black, Hayden Parker, Lima Sopoaga and more.
     
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    Anyone Posting a New Zealand team that has players not listed on the Foundation 41 list are dreaming. With the exception of replacing Dmac which is next to impossible skill wise. The team going to Tokyo will consist of these players barring further catastrophe.

    Forwards: Dane Coles, Liam Coltman, Nathan Harris, Codie Taylor, Owen Franks, Nepo Laulala, Tyrel Lomax, Joe Moody, Angus Ta’avao, Karl Tu’inukuafe, Ofa Tuungafasi, Scott Barrett, Jackson Hemopo, Brodie Retallick, Patrick Tuipulotu, Samuel Whitelock, Sam Cane, Vaea Fifita, Shannon Frizell, Akira Ioane, Kieran Read, Ardie Savea, Liam Squire, Matt Todd, Luke Whitelock

    Backs: TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Beauden Barrett, Damian McKenzie, Richie Mo’unga, Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, Ngani Laumape, Anton Lienert-Brown, Sonny Bill Williams, Jordie Barrett, George Bridge, Rieko Ioane, Waisake Naholo, Ben Smith
     
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    Fair cop TTurtle, can’t argue with that. Of that group, looks like either an 18/13 or 17/14 split. Personally I’d drop TTT and SBW and D-Mac from the backs. In the forwards (if going for 18) I’d say Harris, Lomax, Ta’avao, Hemepo, Fifita/Squire/Cane (injuries depending), Todd and L Whitelock may not make the final squad. Gives 3 hookers and 5 props.

    Alternatively one could bring TTT along (although as above not sure it would be my preference) and drop probably Akira Ioane.
     
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    Maybe dreaming maybe not but this thread was about our 31 not what we predict will be the 31, so let me dream, oh please let me dream.

    In terms of what you are saying though, can you remember back to before the last World Cup (I cant) to see if anyone was chosen outside of a foundation squad? I remember, at least, that Milner skudder and Naholo came in reasonably late in the piece.

    I think I’m terms of filling the third ten position there was no way anyone outside of the 41 was ready or available at the time they named the 41.

    I can also see Nonu come in as he has been there before as well as coldie Taylor.
     
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    I’d also like to note that your thread topic suggests special importance to the starting 15, but in my ideal squad I picked my ending 15 first. To me that’s more important in a World Cup final.
     
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