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<blockquote data-quote="psychic duck" data-source="post: 510462" data-attributes="member: 48703"><p>the Scarlets haven't achieved much in Europe since 2007 though, the Ospreys have reached the quarter finals three times since then, and still have cursed luck with the draw every year</p><p></p><p><strong>Ospreys pool history:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>2005/06: Leicester, Stade Français, Clermont</strong></p><p>Leicester were the Premiership runners up that year, Stade had been Top 14 and Heineken Cup runners up the previous season</p><p></p><p><strong>2006/07: Stade Français, Sale, Viadana</strong></p><p>Stade won the Top 14 that year, Sale were the reigning Premiership champions the previous season</p><p></p><p><strong>2007/08: Gloucester, Bourgoin, Ulster</strong></p><p>Gloucester topped the Premiership table that season, and the season before, the other two weren't that strong though, probably the easiest one the Ospreys have had</p><p></p><p><strong>2008/09: Leicester, Perpignan, Treviso</strong></p><p>The Premiership and Top 14 champions that season</p><p></p><p><strong>2009/10: Leicester, Clermont, Viadana</strong></p><p>The Premiership and Top 14 champions that season</p><p></p><p><strong>2010/11: Toulon, Munster, London Irish</strong></p><p>One of the richest teams, the team who always reaches the knockout stages, and a tricky team to face as a fourth seed in a group</p><p></p><p><strong>2011/12: Saracens, Biarritz, Treviso</strong></p><p>English champions the previous season, and the Amlin Challenge Cup winners</p><p></p><p><strong>2012/13: Toulouse, Leicester, Treviso</strong></p><p>The Top 14 champions and the Premiership runners up</p><p></p><p>that is about 6 "pool of deaths" in 8 seasons and compare to ...</p><p></p><p><strong>Biarritz pool history:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>2005/06: Saracens, Ulster, Treviso</strong></p><p>the team that finished 10th in the Premiership that season, and Ulster who although winning the Magners League weren't up to European level</p><p></p><p><strong>2006/07: Northampton, Borders, Parma</strong></p><p>the 12th placed team in the Premiership, and Borders and Parma ... yet they still hilariously mucked up the quarter final </p><p></p><p><strong>2007/08: Saracens, Glasgow, Viadana</strong></p><p>the 8th place team in the Premiership, and Glasgow and Viadana ... and still didn't qualify</p><p></p><p><strong>2008/09: Cardiff Blues, Gloucester, Calvisano</strong></p><p>Quite a decent group, with Cardiff nearing the peak of Dai Young's spell in charge, and Gloucester still decent</p><p></p><p><strong>2009/10: Gloucester, Dragons, Glasgow</strong></p><p>just as Gloucester declined after their good team in the mid 2000's, and two teams who have never gotten anywhere in the Heineken Cup, meant they could get a home quarter final thanks to the easiness</p><p></p><p><strong>2010/11: Ulster, Bath, Aironi</strong></p><p>no teams who reached the league playoffs that season</p><p></p><p><strong>2011/12: Saracens, Ospreys, Treviso</strong></p><p>probably the hardest Biarritz have had, which says a lot</p><p></p><p><strong>2012/13: Harlequins, Connacht, Zebre</strong></p><p>the two worst teams in the tournament</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="psychic duck, post: 510462, member: 48703"] the Scarlets haven't achieved much in Europe since 2007 though, the Ospreys have reached the quarter finals three times since then, and still have cursed luck with the draw every year [B]Ospreys pool history:[/B] [B]2005/06: Leicester, Stade Français, Clermont[/B] Leicester were the Premiership runners up that year, Stade had been Top 14 and Heineken Cup runners up the previous season [B]2006/07: Stade Français, Sale, Viadana[/B] Stade won the Top 14 that year, Sale were the reigning Premiership champions the previous season [B]2007/08: Gloucester, Bourgoin, Ulster[/B] Gloucester topped the Premiership table that season, and the season before, the other two weren't that strong though, probably the easiest one the Ospreys have had [B]2008/09: Leicester, Perpignan, Treviso[/B] The Premiership and Top 14 champions that season [B]2009/10: Leicester, Clermont, Viadana[/B] The Premiership and Top 14 champions that season [B]2010/11: Toulon, Munster, London Irish[/B] One of the richest teams, the team who always reaches the knockout stages, and a tricky team to face as a fourth seed in a group [B]2011/12: Saracens, Biarritz, Treviso[/B] English champions the previous season, and the Amlin Challenge Cup winners [B]2012/13: Toulouse, Leicester, Treviso[/B] The Top 14 champions and the Premiership runners up that is about 6 "pool of deaths" in 8 seasons and compare to ... [B]Biarritz pool history:[/B] [B]2005/06: Saracens, Ulster, Treviso[/B] the team that finished 10th in the Premiership that season, and Ulster who although winning the Magners League weren't up to European level [B]2006/07: Northampton, Borders, Parma[/B] the 12th placed team in the Premiership, and Borders and Parma ... yet they still hilariously mucked up the quarter final [B]2007/08: Saracens, Glasgow, Viadana[/B] the 8th place team in the Premiership, and Glasgow and Viadana ... and still didn't qualify [B]2008/09: Cardiff Blues, Gloucester, Calvisano[/B] Quite a decent group, with Cardiff nearing the peak of Dai Young's spell in charge, and Gloucester still decent [B]2009/10: Gloucester, Dragons, Glasgow[/B] just as Gloucester declined after their good team in the mid 2000's, and two teams who have never gotten anywhere in the Heineken Cup, meant they could get a home quarter final thanks to the easiness [B]2010/11: Ulster, Bath, Aironi[/B] no teams who reached the league playoffs that season [B]2011/12: Saracens, Ospreys, Treviso[/B] probably the hardest Biarritz have had, which says a lot [B]2012/13: Harlequins, Connacht, Zebre[/B] the two worst teams in the tournament [/QUOTE]
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