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<blockquote data-quote="Peat" data-source="post: 662794" data-attributes="member: 42330"><p>The arguments against Daly are logical but they are not consistent with what Lancaster is doing, that is to say, Lancaster has shown he is willing to overlook these issues i.e.</p><p></p><p>Defence - Ashton is the major culprit here, but Henry Trinder is no defensive colossus either, yet somehow's made the squad </p><p></p><p>Outshine contenders for position - Henry Thomas hasn't done that and nor has Cowan-Dickie. Both guys are there because of belief in their potential. Ditto Calum Clark, Jackson Wray... if Lancaster likes a player, it doesn't matter what they've done</p><p></p><p>Nail down a position - Is Nowell a wing or a full-back or even a 13? Will Slade start all games ahead of Steenson, or play some at 12?</p><p></p><p>If Lancaster is willing to pick players simply due to a belief that they have England level potential and that the rest will come, then why isn't Daly there? The only logical answer is that he doesn't think he has England level potential, which is absolutely nuts. No denying there are rough edges to file off there but his potential peak is huge.</p><p></p><p>There appears to be a hint of bias going on when assembling the squad tbh. Calum Clark has stunk up the squad for ages cos he's an ex-Leeds player. Jackson Wray continues the fine tradition of Sarries players gaining unwarranted international recognition. In contrast, Wasps players have to really struggle to get anywhere with England it seems, Exeter players without U20s pedigree struggle too. You might be forgiven for thinking that Rowntree still has ancient Tiggers vs Baaarf matches replaying in his head given the slowness of recognition given recently to Webber, Wilson, Attwood, and non-existence of recognition shown to Fearns and Garvey. I'm sure Olyy has his list of Sale grievances as well.</p><p></p><p>p.s.</p><p></p><p>I never want to see Alex Goode play for England again but he is a very talented player and reader of the game, and if we were to go conservative as recently argued for by some, he'd certainly be in the squad as his positioning makes him ideal for a kicking battle. </p><p></p><p>I'd love to see Allen get England caps but everyone knows its not happening now, so his presence in the squad is a bit of a waste. Gods only knows how he didn't get more than 2... oh wait, scapegoated for poor performance in NZ; now where have I heard that recently? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Devoto is the most interesting name mentioned. Seems very clear that Lancaster is unhappy with what he has at 12 and is looking for more playmaking options. Slade can play 12 a bit too, gods knows including as 6th fly-half seems pointless.</p><p></p><p>Strongest team from those not named:</p><p></p><p>Tait; Rokodugni, Daly, Hill, Sharples; Blank, Thomas; Waller, Ward, JCW; Stooke, Kitchener; Garvey, Gibson, Ewers (bench: Miller, Blank, Simpson, S. Jones, Kruis, Sinckler, Catt, Taylor)</p><p></p><p>We have bottomed out on fly-halves unless I'm forgetting names. A lot of the guys not named arguably have superior claims to some of those named for my money. </p><p></p><p>The selection of Jackson Wray is really truly absolutely incredible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Peat, post: 662794, member: 42330"] The arguments against Daly are logical but they are not consistent with what Lancaster is doing, that is to say, Lancaster has shown he is willing to overlook these issues i.e. Defence - Ashton is the major culprit here, but Henry Trinder is no defensive colossus either, yet somehow's made the squad Outshine contenders for position - Henry Thomas hasn't done that and nor has Cowan-Dickie. Both guys are there because of belief in their potential. Ditto Calum Clark, Jackson Wray... if Lancaster likes a player, it doesn't matter what they've done Nail down a position - Is Nowell a wing or a full-back or even a 13? Will Slade start all games ahead of Steenson, or play some at 12? If Lancaster is willing to pick players simply due to a belief that they have England level potential and that the rest will come, then why isn't Daly there? The only logical answer is that he doesn't think he has England level potential, which is absolutely nuts. No denying there are rough edges to file off there but his potential peak is huge. There appears to be a hint of bias going on when assembling the squad tbh. Calum Clark has stunk up the squad for ages cos he's an ex-Leeds player. Jackson Wray continues the fine tradition of Sarries players gaining unwarranted international recognition. In contrast, Wasps players have to really struggle to get anywhere with England it seems, Exeter players without U20s pedigree struggle too. You might be forgiven for thinking that Rowntree still has ancient Tiggers vs Baaarf matches replaying in his head given the slowness of recognition given recently to Webber, Wilson, Attwood, and non-existence of recognition shown to Fearns and Garvey. I'm sure Olyy has his list of Sale grievances as well. p.s. I never want to see Alex Goode play for England again but he is a very talented player and reader of the game, and if we were to go conservative as recently argued for by some, he'd certainly be in the squad as his positioning makes him ideal for a kicking battle. I'd love to see Allen get England caps but everyone knows its not happening now, so his presence in the squad is a bit of a waste. Gods only knows how he didn't get more than 2... oh wait, scapegoated for poor performance in NZ; now where have I heard that recently? ;) Devoto is the most interesting name mentioned. Seems very clear that Lancaster is unhappy with what he has at 12 and is looking for more playmaking options. Slade can play 12 a bit too, gods knows including as 6th fly-half seems pointless. Strongest team from those not named: Tait; Rokodugni, Daly, Hill, Sharples; Blank, Thomas; Waller, Ward, JCW; Stooke, Kitchener; Garvey, Gibson, Ewers (bench: Miller, Blank, Simpson, S. Jones, Kruis, Sinckler, Catt, Taylor) We have bottomed out on fly-halves unless I'm forgetting names. A lot of the guys not named arguably have superior claims to some of those named for my money. The selection of Jackson Wray is really truly absolutely incredible. [/QUOTE]
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