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[2014 Mid-Year Tests] New Zealand
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<blockquote data-quote="Bada-Bing!" data-source="post: 632837" data-attributes="member: 70552"><p>He's certainly had his temperament issues. But since his sending off for calling Wayne Barnes a cheat, missing the Lions tour and his talk with Stuart Lancaster, who warned him he was on his last chance, he has been on his best behaviour; there will always be a question mark over if he will combust again, but it could turn out to be the turning point in his career he needed. </p><p></p><p>To his credit, the guy's won over 50 caps for England and in the 6 nations his throw accuracy was just over 90% (better than Mealamu); but it helped that he had Lawes and Wood to throw to, who are his club team mates. I think Youngs is better in the loose, but his throwing in at the line out in the Autumn and 6N was terrible; as shown in the All Blacks game when he replaced Hartley and pretty much cost England field position that led to the NZ try. It was really Dorian West who broke down Hartley's throwing technique and got it to the level it is now. Had he stayed in NZ, first he may not have converted to hooker and secondly, as you said he would not have 50 caps to his name; being behind Mealamu and Hore. I saw Coltman throwing in two line outs in a row for the Highlanders and both were penalised for not being straight. It reminded me of Tom Youngs throwing i.e. something potentially to cost a test match. Coles has improved his line out throwing, but still I don't think he's got a 90% line out accuracy. </p><p></p><p>In terms of the top international teams i think the pecking order for hooker is: Bismark, Strauss, Moore, Hartley and Hibbard. Bismark probably stands head and shoulders above everyone at Hooker at the moment and as you said NZ do not have one in the world's top 5.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bada-Bing!, post: 632837, member: 70552"] He's certainly had his temperament issues. But since his sending off for calling Wayne Barnes a cheat, missing the Lions tour and his talk with Stuart Lancaster, who warned him he was on his last chance, he has been on his best behaviour; there will always be a question mark over if he will combust again, but it could turn out to be the turning point in his career he needed. To his credit, the guy's won over 50 caps for England and in the 6 nations his throw accuracy was just over 90% (better than Mealamu); but it helped that he had Lawes and Wood to throw to, who are his club team mates. I think Youngs is better in the loose, but his throwing in at the line out in the Autumn and 6N was terrible; as shown in the All Blacks game when he replaced Hartley and pretty much cost England field position that led to the NZ try. It was really Dorian West who broke down Hartley's throwing technique and got it to the level it is now. Had he stayed in NZ, first he may not have converted to hooker and secondly, as you said he would not have 50 caps to his name; being behind Mealamu and Hore. I saw Coltman throwing in two line outs in a row for the Highlanders and both were penalised for not being straight. It reminded me of Tom Youngs throwing i.e. something potentially to cost a test match. Coles has improved his line out throwing, but still I don't think he's got a 90% line out accuracy. In terms of the top international teams i think the pecking order for hooker is: Bismark, Strauss, Moore, Hartley and Hibbard. Bismark probably stands head and shoulders above everyone at Hooker at the moment and as you said NZ do not have one in the world's top 5. [/QUOTE]
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