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[2014 TRC] Argentina v South Africa in Salta (23/08/2014)
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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_stormer2010" data-source="post: 665807" data-attributes="member: 39190"><p>Malherbe needed to start, yes. I don't rate Jannie even our 4rth best TH at this stage (in the scrum) and ITO general play he is probably at the bottom of the list and it has been pretty clear he is either tired or done for a while now. I don't know why our selectors thought that getting dominated at SR level (even by Aussie scrums) won't mean getting dominated at test level. Redelinghuys and Malherbe were our clear best TH's and we have better overseas as well. But, we in SA bow down to the all-important 'number of caps'.</p><p></p><p>Okay, so that last sentence was a bit unfair; HM has brought in a load of new frsh faces. We're just taking overly long with the props IMO.</p><p></p><p>Scrum success rates below (Lions and Stormers tops):</p><p></p><p>[TABLE="class: colchart horizontal, width: 610"]</p><p>[TR="class: team-150"]</p><p>[TD][/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-63"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=63" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=63" target="_blank">Lions</a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">91.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-99"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=99" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=99" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Stormers</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">89.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-250"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=250" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=250" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Reds</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">88.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-97"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=97" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=97" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Bulls</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">88.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-96"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=96" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=96" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Crusaders</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">88.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-12"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=12" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=12" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Rebels</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">87.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-94"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=94" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=94" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Hurricanes</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">87.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-91"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=91" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=91" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Chiefs</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">86.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-98"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=98" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=98" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Sharks</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">86.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-73"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=73" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=73" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Force</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">86.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-200"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=200" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=200" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Waratahs</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">85.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-93"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=93" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=93" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Blues</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">84.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-74"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=74" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=74" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Cheetahs</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">84.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-95"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=95" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=95" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Highlanders</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">83.0</span></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[TR="class: team-150"]</p><p>[TD="align: center"]<span style="color: #000000"><img src="http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=150" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=150" target="_blank"><span style="color: #000000">Brumbies</span></a>[/TD]</p><p>[TD]<span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Stag-Serif-Medium'">75.0</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span>[/TD]</p><p>[/TR]</p><p>[/TABLE]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_stormer2010, post: 665807, member: 39190"] Malherbe needed to start, yes. I don't rate Jannie even our 4rth best TH at this stage (in the scrum) and ITO general play he is probably at the bottom of the list and it has been pretty clear he is either tired or done for a while now. I don't know why our selectors thought that getting dominated at SR level (even by Aussie scrums) won't mean getting dominated at test level. Redelinghuys and Malherbe were our clear best TH's and we have better overseas as well. But, we in SA bow down to the all-important 'number of caps'. Okay, so that last sentence was a bit unfair; HM has brought in a load of new frsh faces. We're just taking overly long with the props IMO. Scrum success rates below (Lions and Stormers tops): [TABLE="class: colchart horizontal, width: 610"] [TR="class: team-150"] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-63"] [TD="align: center"][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=63[/IMG][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=63"]Lions[/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]91.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-99"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=99[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=99"][COLOR=#000000]Stormers[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]89.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-250"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=250[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=250"][COLOR=#000000]Reds[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]88.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-97"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=97[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=97"][COLOR=#000000]Bulls[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]88.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-96"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=96[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=96"][COLOR=#000000]Crusaders[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]88.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-12"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=12[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=12"][COLOR=#000000]Rebels[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]87.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-94"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=94[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=94"][COLOR=#000000]Hurricanes[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]87.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-91"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=91[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=91"][COLOR=#000000]Chiefs[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]86.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-98"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=98[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=98"][COLOR=#000000]Sharks[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]86.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-73"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=73[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=73"][COLOR=#000000]Force[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]86.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-200"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=200[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=200"][COLOR=#000000]Waratahs[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]85.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-93"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=93[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=93"][COLOR=#000000]Blues[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]84.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-74"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=74[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=74"][COLOR=#000000]Cheetahs[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]84.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-95"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=95[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=95"][COLOR=#000000]Highlanders[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]83.0[/FONT][/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [TR="class: team-150"] [TD="align: center"][COLOR=#000000][IMG]http://omo.akamai.opta.net/image.php?&sport=rugby&entity=team&description=badges&dimensions=20&id=150[/IMG][/COLOR][/TD] [TD][URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/team.cfm?season=2014&competition=205&team=150"][COLOR=#000000]Brumbies[/COLOR][/URL][/TD] [TD][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Stag-Serif-Medium]75.0[/FONT] [/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [/QUOTE]
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