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[2015 RWC] Quarter Final 3: Ireland vs. Argentina (18/10/2015)
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<blockquote data-quote="lentenbok" data-source="post: 762759" data-attributes="member: 73405"><p>I think some of them don't know the words, or some of them don't sing as they've got their 'match focus' on (same way some players of other teams don't sing their anthem) and some only join in for the 'Ireland, Ireland' bit. </p><p></p><p>I did think it was mostly the Ulster players who don't sing it, until I saw Paddy Jackson belting it out and Tommy Bowe always sings it - despite being from the province of Ulster, he's actually Irish and not British/from the U.K as he's from Monaghan. I think there's more than just the Ulstermen who don't sing it, Cronin, Heaslip, Murray Stringer, O'Gara (to name a few non-Ulstermen) all have been seen to not sing it.</p><p></p><p>As the Irish rugby team is made up of all 4 provinces, they can't sing 2 anthems and both the Irish National Anthem and 'British' National Anthem could cause offence. They sing the Irish National Anthem when Ireland play in Ireland, but tbf, there isn't really a stadium big enough in Northern Ireland for the Irish team to play in.</p><p></p><p>On top of that, God Save The Queen is the English National Anthem, could you imagine a match where England v Ireland and they sing the same Anthem? The same way Scotland and Wales use different anthems too. </p><p></p><p>Ireland's Call is meant to bring a neutrality in that it's neither the anthem of North or South, and 'unites' the two teams (part of the '4 proud provinces of Ireland' lyrics). </p><p>The quality of the song is debatable, but the 'Ireland, Ireland' bit is easy to remember and sing at least! </p><p>It's definitely much better than Ulster's unofficial anthem of 'Stand up for the Ulster men' (x12) </p><p></p><p>Northern Ireland has a rough deal in sports in general. You either chose Ireland or United Kingdom and British Isles (and imo, there's a better chance of being selected to play for Ireland than the UK) or if there's a Northern Irish team, it's generally pretty bad as there's such a limited amount of people. If there was a Northern Irish rugby team, it would end up the Ulster squad minus those born in Ireland and with some of the internationals. So basically a provincial level team. </p><p></p><p>I also wonder if someone living in Northern Ireland would be automatically qualified to play for England if their parents/grandparents held a British passport, or if they would have to play for Ireland unless they could qualify for England through residency.</p><p></p><p>To put it one way, the whole Ireland/Northern Ireland thing has a lot of issues/questions in general, but Irish Rugby has found a pretty solid way to combat it. The Irish Rugby flag also isn't actually the tricolour but is made up of the 4 province flags.</p><p>(I'm also not sure the Ireland/Northern Ireland thing is as big an issue in GAA, but then I'm not into GAA so may be wrong)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lentenbok, post: 762759, member: 73405"] I think some of them don't know the words, or some of them don't sing as they've got their 'match focus' on (same way some players of other teams don't sing their anthem) and some only join in for the 'Ireland, Ireland' bit. I did think it was mostly the Ulster players who don't sing it, until I saw Paddy Jackson belting it out and Tommy Bowe always sings it - despite being from the province of Ulster, he's actually Irish and not British/from the U.K as he's from Monaghan. I think there's more than just the Ulstermen who don't sing it, Cronin, Heaslip, Murray Stringer, O'Gara (to name a few non-Ulstermen) all have been seen to not sing it. As the Irish rugby team is made up of all 4 provinces, they can't sing 2 anthems and both the Irish National Anthem and 'British' National Anthem could cause offence. They sing the Irish National Anthem when Ireland play in Ireland, but tbf, there isn't really a stadium big enough in Northern Ireland for the Irish team to play in. On top of that, God Save The Queen is the English National Anthem, could you imagine a match where England v Ireland and they sing the same Anthem? The same way Scotland and Wales use different anthems too. Ireland's Call is meant to bring a neutrality in that it's neither the anthem of North or South, and 'unites' the two teams (part of the '4 proud provinces of Ireland' lyrics). The quality of the song is debatable, but the 'Ireland, Ireland' bit is easy to remember and sing at least! It's definitely much better than Ulster's unofficial anthem of 'Stand up for the Ulster men' (x12) Northern Ireland has a rough deal in sports in general. You either chose Ireland or United Kingdom and British Isles (and imo, there's a better chance of being selected to play for Ireland than the UK) or if there's a Northern Irish team, it's generally pretty bad as there's such a limited amount of people. If there was a Northern Irish rugby team, it would end up the Ulster squad minus those born in Ireland and with some of the internationals. So basically a provincial level team. I also wonder if someone living in Northern Ireland would be automatically qualified to play for England if their parents/grandparents held a British passport, or if they would have to play for Ireland unless they could qualify for England through residency. To put it one way, the whole Ireland/Northern Ireland thing has a lot of issues/questions in general, but Irish Rugby has found a pretty solid way to combat it. The Irish Rugby flag also isn't actually the tricolour but is made up of the 4 province flags. (I'm also not sure the Ireland/Northern Ireland thing is as big an issue in GAA, but then I'm not into GAA so may be wrong) [/QUOTE]
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