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[2019 Six Nations] Ireland vs England (02/02/2019)
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<blockquote data-quote="big ginger 8" data-source="post: 930472" data-attributes="member: 53057"><p>It's poor journalism because it doesn't give proper context and can easily lead to conclusions that aren't relevant or possibly correct. I didn't say it's not true but going back to the 2013 6N and beyond is not really relevant, in fact there's a decent argument that everything from the 2015 WC and before is irrelevant to this iteration of the Irish team. It's an interesting stat but on reflection it's not as informative as it first appears. It doesn't say how many tests it spans, how long that time period is or how it compares to other nations. I'd imagine most teams lose games that they were losing at an advanced stage of the game. The by more than one point is also important because it allows them to ignore a match vs Argentina on Schmidt's first summer tour as we were losing by one at the half before coming back. That's actually a decent point to start the stat from and would have given them 10 matches in a row under Schmidt where losing at halftime I believe, but that wouldn't have been as eye catching.</p><p></p><p>Bringing up six year old results to to embarrass me is more funny than anything. Yeah it was at the time a bad day for Irish rugby but it was also the final nail in the coffin of the Kidney regime and gave us Schmidt. It was also a game PO'M ended up playing wing which is pretty funny.</p><p>Here's the team from that day:</p><p></p><p>Ireland: (15-9) Kearney; Gilroy, O'Driscoll, L Marshall, Earls; Jackson, Murray; (1-8) Healy, Best, Ross; McCarthy, D Ryan; O'Mahony, O'Brien, Heaslip (c).</p><p></p><p>Replacements: Kilcoyne, Cronin, Archer, Toner, Henderson, P Marshall, Madigan, Fitzgerald.</p><p></p><p>Maybe you can see why it's not especially relevant to this Ireland squad. None of the coaching staff are still on board and only 10 of the 23 have any chance of being in the world cup squad. We also lost three backs in the first half which might explain an inability to comeback here.</p><p></p><p>Under Schmidt the teams that have beaten us when leading by one or more at the half are England, Australia, NZ, SA,, Wales and Argentina i.e. teams that are usually pretty good and not really apt to lose the lead they've built.</p><p></p><p>Ireland have also won the last 24 games they've been up at the half. The last Ireland lost when up at the half was against South Africa in the second test on the summer tour of 2016. Maybe it's possible that teams are up at the half tend to be up for a reason and are usually able to kick on from there.</p><p></p><p>So yeah I believe it's poor journalism because it fails to give proper context. It's like saying cancer rates have gone up hugely in the last 50 years and ignoring the people are living longer and therefore more likely to develop cancer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="big ginger 8, post: 930472, member: 53057"] It's poor journalism because it doesn't give proper context and can easily lead to conclusions that aren't relevant or possibly correct. I didn't say it's not true but going back to the 2013 6N and beyond is not really relevant, in fact there's a decent argument that everything from the 2015 WC and before is irrelevant to this iteration of the Irish team. It's an interesting stat but on reflection it's not as informative as it first appears. It doesn't say how many tests it spans, how long that time period is or how it compares to other nations. I'd imagine most teams lose games that they were losing at an advanced stage of the game. The by more than one point is also important because it allows them to ignore a match vs Argentina on Schmidt's first summer tour as we were losing by one at the half before coming back. That's actually a decent point to start the stat from and would have given them 10 matches in a row under Schmidt where losing at halftime I believe, but that wouldn't have been as eye catching. Bringing up six year old results to to embarrass me is more funny than anything. Yeah it was at the time a bad day for Irish rugby but it was also the final nail in the coffin of the Kidney regime and gave us Schmidt. It was also a game PO'M ended up playing wing which is pretty funny. Here's the team from that day: Ireland: (15-9) Kearney; Gilroy, O’Driscoll, L Marshall, Earls; Jackson, Murray; (1-8) Healy, Best, Ross; McCarthy, D Ryan; O’Mahony, O’Brien, Heaslip (c). Replacements: Kilcoyne, Cronin, Archer, Toner, Henderson, P Marshall, Madigan, Fitzgerald. Maybe you can see why it's not especially relevant to this Ireland squad. None of the coaching staff are still on board and only 10 of the 23 have any chance of being in the world cup squad. We also lost three backs in the first half which might explain an inability to comeback here. Under Schmidt the teams that have beaten us when leading by one or more at the half are England, Australia, NZ, SA,, Wales and Argentina i.e. teams that are usually pretty good and not really apt to lose the lead they've built. Ireland have also won the last 24 games they've been up at the half. The last Ireland lost when up at the half was against South Africa in the second test on the summer tour of 2016. Maybe it's possible that teams are up at the half tend to be up for a reason and are usually able to kick on from there. So yeah I believe it's poor journalism because it fails to give proper context. It's like saying cancer rates have gone up hugely in the last 50 years and ignoring the people are living longer and therefore more likely to develop cancer. [/QUOTE]
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