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(2022 Rugby Championship - Round 5) - Australia V New Zealand (15/9/2022) [Bledisloe 1]
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<blockquote data-quote="Ragey Erasmus" data-source="post: 1101223" data-attributes="member: 56232"><p>I think there are two issues here that are in this instance seemingly in conflict but both relevant:</p><p></p><p>1) The inconsistency of refereeing (regardless of the merits of this decision it is quite inconsistent with how time wasting is normally reffed. Then again, it's rare to have a player so blatantly ignore a explicit instruction on their own penalty so swings and roundabouts)</p><p>2) The actual legal merit of this case in isolation.</p><p></p><p>I don't think it can be denied that rugby has a serious issue with consistency of the application of the laws. The fact we talk about NH vs SH refs or even French vs English vs URC refs sort of proves a point, there should not be all these different "styles" of reffing and teams should be able to trust a ref to be predictable in the application of the laws. Eg as an England fan, Gauzere was responsible both for Wales being allowed to restart mid HIA and the restarted game after telling the England captain to talk to the team. As a team how do you feel when the standard is that poor?</p><p></p><p>Rugby has really got to stop ******* about with whether they will apply laws or not. If laws are not being applied, remove them, if they are going to be applied then do so. The scrums and "use it" are the obvious examples but some consistency is really needed. Also is there any real action that can be taken against refs who seriously **** it up? The closest I can think of was Walsh being removed as a ref but that was for off-pitch stuff (and he was really bad in any England game he reffed after). The Gauzere instances, same ref same team and both times being screwed over and yet he carries on?</p><p></p><p>On this specific issue, I think Raynal was right to penalise the time wasting but, as mentioned earlier, this needs to be part of a wider move to penalise it. It's like when refs randomly penalise a not straight feed, that's fine if it's part of a new standard (old standard?) but if it is a one off out of nowhere, it further erodes the trust.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ragey Erasmus, post: 1101223, member: 56232"] I think there are two issues here that are in this instance seemingly in conflict but both relevant: 1) The inconsistency of refereeing (regardless of the merits of this decision it is quite inconsistent with how time wasting is normally reffed. Then again, it's rare to have a player so blatantly ignore a explicit instruction on their own penalty so swings and roundabouts) 2) The actual legal merit of this case in isolation. I don't think it can be denied that rugby has a serious issue with consistency of the application of the laws. The fact we talk about NH vs SH refs or even French vs English vs URC refs sort of proves a point, there should not be all these different "styles" of reffing and teams should be able to trust a ref to be predictable in the application of the laws. Eg as an England fan, Gauzere was responsible both for Wales being allowed to restart mid HIA and the restarted game after telling the England captain to talk to the team. As a team how do you feel when the standard is that poor? Rugby has really got to stop ******* about with whether they will apply laws or not. If laws are not being applied, remove them, if they are going to be applied then do so. The scrums and "use it" are the obvious examples but some consistency is really needed. Also is there any real action that can be taken against refs who seriously **** it up? The closest I can think of was Walsh being removed as a ref but that was for off-pitch stuff (and he was really bad in any England game he reffed after). The Gauzere instances, same ref same team and both times being screwed over and yet he carries on? On this specific issue, I think Raynal was right to penalise the time wasting but, as mentioned earlier, this needs to be part of a wider move to penalise it. It's like when refs randomly penalise a not straight feed, that's fine if it's part of a new standard (old standard?) but if it is a one off out of nowhere, it further erodes the trust. [/QUOTE]
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